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No ! How does anyone turn away Marbury at the min? Especially on a 2-4 team?
It seems that those against signing Marbury are under the assumption that we'd be stuck with him if it doesn't work out. This is obviously not the case...
Marbury > vaughn, hill, finley...etc.
If it isn't working out, you just sit the guy on the bench, and if he can't keep his mouth shut...you cut him.
No ! How does anyone turn away Marbury at the min? Especially on a 2-4 team?
You make fine arguments for Steph. I'm sure Steph has a "chip on his shoulder". That's good. He probably wants to prove people wrong - that's even better. But you cannot discount the fact that this guy has been a glorified, stat sheet-filling, loser everywhere he's been. Despite his astonishing talents, there's nothing in his basketball mentality that I can point to and say, "this guy is willing to sacrifice this in order for the team to be successful". This is simply no evidence at all.
Final point. If you bring him aboard, what do you do with Mason?
BTW Marbury wasn't considered a cancer when he was on a Suns team that was a thorn in our side.
I dont see why SENORSPUR looks at it like a life or death situation in terms of business for the Spurs. IF he doent work out, bench him of trade him or release him. Its that simple.
HARLEMHEAT laid it out very well. He can still ball and once Manu and Tony come back wel will have the best backcourt in the NBA and its not even close. Those people who look at Marubury as the worst team player in the NBA listen to the new york media too much. They want to bury this guy and look for any story to put in the paper to smear him.
Plus Marbury claims to be a born again Christian and says he has changed his ways and mindset on life. He has already said that basketball is not everything in his life anymore. Its God. The guy has matured by miles and deserves a shot again.
so, manu probably doesn't like him either.
and i remember him trash talking a lot to TP when he arrived in NBA.
he's an asshole. he's a loser. we don't need another guard.
Marbury in a spurs uniform would be so painful to watch.
It's not gonna happen
i say bring him in...
we need a player who has that hunger, all he wants to do is play and win...being less than a bench warmer for almost 6 months will hurt any players psyche...besides, at this point in his career, he knows his weakness' and knows that a no-bull coach like pop, not an igo-addict like thomas, or a pushover like d'antoni, would give him the discipline he needs...
I'm not discounting it..my belief is more in our organization and our team..IF Steph was to sign here, he would obviously know what he was getting himself into, so I don't think it would be a problem..he knows he isn't going to play ahead of Parker and Ginobili, he knows Tim is the main option..he knows he'd have to play Pop's way..he would HAVE to know this coming into the situation, otherwise, he wouldn't sign here..
I'm not really worried about Roger's minutes, because it would just be dependent on the situation..it's just good to have more options on a team that has notorious scoring droughts..Finley's minutes would be at 0, same with Vaughn..I imagine Bowen's minutes would go down(like they should)..the main thing with Steph is that he gives us options, and he would allow us to rest our guys more during the season..it would just be good to have a DEEP bench when we need some guys to do certain things..
if Parker is struggling, we have Hill, Marbury and Mason at the point..if Manu is struggling, we have Marbury and Mason behind him..if Mason is struggling off the bench, we have Marbury..if Marbury struggles, we have Parker, Mason and Hill..
it just gives us a lot of options, and different ways to take advantage of other teams, depending on the matchups..
I don't think Oberto and Manu disliking him is relevant here..it happens in the NBA all the time..how many fights did MJ get into with his teammates? happened all the time..Shaq and Kobe? hated each other..
Manu is a WARRIOR and all he wants to do is win..that's why he comes off the bench..I guarantee he would put aside his dislike if it means the Spurs will be a better team..Ginobili is a winner, and that's what winners do..
BTW, I don't know if Steph would actually sign..not necessarily on him, but aren't we ALWAYS rumored to bring in every free agent? it just doesn't happen anymore..
Look at the teams Stephon played with in the past, young immature people as teammates.
People you are around have a major influence on who you will be as a person. Being around the Wolves of the past influenced him to be a horrible team player. Even with that suns team who had no iden y yet.
With the Spurs hes going to be under the thumb of the Big 3 and Pop. No question. He knows his role.
Parker/Hill/Vaughn
Ginobili/Marbury
Bowen/Mason/Udoka
Duncan/Mahinmi
Oberto/Thomas
i dont see no problem there
If he's avaliable I 'd like to see him in Spurs uniform
It just boils down to money. If spurs land him for a few mill (via some miracle), why not. Taking his contract as it is would be moronic, and if something like that were to happen, it would just signify we are in a state of utter panic. Which we aint.
as painful as watching finley's production drop to 0? i think not...
i like finley but his production is mediocre these days except for a few gimme games here and there. i'd take a flier on starbury.
Having Marbury on this team would stunt Vaughn's ability to come off the IR.
Glenn Robinson minutes.
Not really, and I would start Hill over him. Still, the Spurs need offense for a month, and he could provide it.Do you really expect Starbury will he happy coming of the bench behind anyone.
See my first reply in this post.No matter how talented is he, do you really expect him to "blend in". Also, think about the logjam that will ensue with Pop trying to find minutes for TP, Mason, Hill, Manu, Finley and Starbury.
Which is why you cut his ass if he pulls any crap. That's also why he gets Bonner minutes once we have TP/Hill/Manu to play the point.There's no doubt Starbury is talented and can score. My issue is that he's an utterly selfish ball player, who's been a bad personality fit everywhere he's been.
Because posters here have become delusional.
I think you might be underestimating how good Marbury really is.
I'd have no problem with Marbury starting at the 2 spot even when Manu does come back.
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If he lands in S.A. he would not have to be a leader, he could prove to help us out.
His size allows him to play the 2 and he can get to the rim and finish, plus having made a bundle of cash, and is now 30 maybe he wants to win before he leaves the game.
Im not sold on him at all but a min deal for a guy who can score and break down teams D, him and parker on the floor with manu tim and say Ian could be a nightmare for teams. 3 guys who can break you down and shoot, with 2 bigs who can finish....not bad!
Still I dont think the Knicks are gonna let him go.
Right now we have to be pratical...we need scoring and a player who can create their own shot. I am not too worried about what will happen when Manu and TP come back because they both won't be in playing shape yet and won't be demanding heavy minutes.
Manu will be more than likely coming off the bench. Tony may start, but he isn't going to be playing heavy duty minutes before the All-Star break. If an issue would arise, it wouldn't be until after the All-Star break. I don't think that will happen though. Marbury isn't going to get all of the minutes but at least he gives us another threat out there on the court. He isn't dumb...he knows this team is about the Big 3 and being around a vet ball club will reel in any outbursts that may happen. I say it is worth a try, we really don't have anything to lose.
Well everyone seems to have their opinions based on his at ude...and neither side seems to think they are wrong. So lets just take this from a more logical standpoint.
We have 4 back court players that would be considered first in line...Parker, Manu, Mason and Hill. Then you throw in Finley...which leads me to cir vent a few arguments before they come at me. For one...Finley is not getting traded and his minutes are basically guaranteed. If you have been watching the Spurs at all while he has been with the team you know this to be true. Pop's affections for him are blind and he is going to get 20ish minutes a game minimum. Two...I don't want to see any projected lineups that try to fit Marbury in by sticking Finley at SF. He is a big SG. He starts at SG and comes off the bench at SG. He only plays SF in lineups where we are looking for more scoring i.e. side by side with Manu or Roger....and those minutes are limited because he is such a defensive liability.
So now that we have established that Finley will be a part of the rotation, where does and undersized SG like Marbury fit? He is not going to play 3rd point...and he is going to struggle to find minutes behind the three other SG's. Over his last two meaningful seasons('05-'07), he averaged 16ppg...but he needed 37min a game to do that. He has never even been close to a 40% 3pt shooter. Heck, in seasons where he has played 60+ games he has only reached 35% a couple of times...and as guard in our offensive scheme this is something he will be required to do.
I say all of that to say this...is it really worth the roster spot? In a Western Conference where size matters is it worth sacrificing a much needed big for an undersized guard who may or may not get enough minutes in our rotation to make an impact? Even now we are still staring at a dilemma in finding that guy that will effectively guard Dirk, West and Gasol. If you look at our roster, there is just no room. Farmer is probably gone when Manu gets back and if Gist comes back next year he will probably take Vaughn's spot and Manu/Mason will split some time at the point to backup Hill and Parker.
I do. You have Mason at SF. He is a pure SG. Where is Finley?
On the bench where he needs to stay!
You assume Finley will NEED to get 20 mpg if hypothetically marbury were to sign with us. believe me not even pops blind love will hinder the suprior guards minutes for finley
STEPH EYES SPOT WITH SAN ANTONIO
By Marc Berman
SAN ANTONIO - Stephon Marbury didn't go around house-hunting in Alamo City yesterday, but the exiled point guard acknowledged if the KnicksNew York Knicks cut him and point-guard-light Spurs show interest, San Antonio would be on the top of his list.
Marbury received another snub from Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni yesterday when injured Eddy CurryEddy Curry was activated over him for last night's game vs. the Spurs to replace absent Danilo Gallinari. Curry still has a knee injury and hasn't been cleared to play. But Curry was in a Knicks uniform as a blue-and-orange ornament piece while Marbury sat behind the bench in a red-and-black rugby.
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Marbury would love to be on the opposite bench nowadays, realizing there is no future on his hometown New York.
"Who wouldn't want to play for San Antonio?" Marbury told The Post last night. "To play with Tim Duncan, who would complain about that? That's a great organization, they win championships. They have a nice system and I like (Gregg) Popovich as coach. I can play 1 or the 2. If I was a free agent, yeah."
Spurs general manager R.C. Buford has said he may look for a point guard after losing Tony Parker for a month. The only point guards on the roster are rookie George Hill, who started last night, and Jacque Vaughn. Donnie Walsh is not ready to waive Marbury.
Marbury has not played in the first seven games and has been inactive the last six. Marbury's associates believe D'Antoni's treatment of him borders on malicious.
When told the absurdity of dressing a player who can't play, D'Antoni said, "I know, but we get back to the same thing. I just think it's better that I'm going to play my guys. And that's who's going to play. So there's no reason to change course right now."
Marbury wasn't surprised.
"Mike said he's going forward and not playing me," Marbury said. "I'll wait the whole year if I have to."
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