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It's Bulgaria yea. I've been a Spurs fan since 1994/5 season and I've been reading this forum a lot, but hadn't decided to post until now.
yeah, let's trade parker....
you guys are dumbasses. this place is starting to go down hill.
It's Bulgaria yea. I've been a Spurs fan since 1994/5 season and I've been reading this forum a lot, but hadn't decided to post until now.
Hill is a prototypical Spur. Smart, dedicated to improve, intelligent, in shape, and unselfish. He will struggle in some future games but he is a gamer. His getting pissed off when Yao obviously fouled him shows maturity beyond his 22 years. I believe he is also stong enough to play with Tony as a two guard. Twin guards who can get to the rim at will. More options for Pop. JV haters get over it. Jacque is solid. Suppose Hill gets injured? Resign Darius Washington or Salim Whatamyer? It will be interesting to see him paly against Rose and Chamlers.
of course right now, beno is more polished than hill. but hill has already shown more character and more physical ability than beno did in 3 years. with a little polish he can easily surpass Beno as a player.
beno had tons of chances here. pop could have handled him better, but thats very easy to say in hindsight. spursupremacist insists that pop doesnt develop young players, but right at the top of his list of FO mistakes is Sjax, a guy that was dumped by teams the world over, and that Pop turned into an NBA player.
Beno is producing similar stats to what he did here, ok. But he's also getting called out by his teammates and coach for being a pussy, just like here. thats why he got traded for nothing, not for lack of ability.
remember when beno argued that the spurs favor americans? what a little .
we'll get to see Hill vs. Beno 2morrow... i hope timvp does a vBookie on that...
No pun intended.yeah, let's trade parker....
you guys are dumbasses. this place is starting to go down hill.
Which also makes him the antiBeno.
As of today, Beno's EFF per 48 min rating is 18.32. George Hill's is 19.87. You can't compare straight EFF ratings when one guy is averaging nearly ten minutes more per game. Add to this Hill's better defensive abilities, and the fact that the Spurs are paying him approximately one-quarter the salary that Beno makes, and Hill seems to me to clearly be the better player, and the better bargain.
Beno Udrih was a soft mama's boy who needed his hand held constantly. I've seen very few people here that trash his basketball skills. He's just a soft who can't bring the ball up, or for that matter do ANYTHING with any pressure on him. He's in the perfect environment for him to thrive now: a loser team with no expectations that plays no defense.
There was a time when Beno was trying relatively harder but Pop gave those minutes to NVE. Pop gave up on Beno. At that point I thought it was a mistake. But Beno made the worse mistake by later giving up on himself when he did get minutes the next year. It was handled poorly by both, but worse by Beno because he put his career in jeopardy by getting lazy and out of shape.
I do think Pop should have pulled the trigger and traded Beno and Bones for Maggette when he had already given up on Beno and knew that was going to always favor Finley over Bones, but that's another discussion.
Wow, and I thought I steamrolled him on this subject!
Tully FTW.
Pop only gave up on Beno to NVE, when Beno proved he again couldn't handle the frontcourt press
It's called a full court press.
T Park referring to a "front court press"
Which is a legitimate basketball term.
It's usually when you trap a player against the half court line when he steps across. To be honest, the last time I heard it was in seventh grade basketball, but it's still a legitimate term.
ahh fair enough, I just googled it and couldn't find anything much on it.It's usually when you trap a player against the half court line when he steps across. To be honest, the last time I heard it was in seventh grade basketball, but it's still a legitimate term.
Good to know
If only Pop had given up on NVE when it was obvious he was a turnstile on defense and bricklayer on offense, which was fairly early on.
At that point Beno was still a better option than NVE, and Pop even later admitted after to losing to the Mavs that he stuck with NVE way too long.
I don't recall the frontcourt press being the deciding issue but that's fine, we see it differently.
Neither options were great but at that point Beno was better motivated than later. This isn't to say I thought he was ever going to be a great fit here but he could have contributed more than the ghost of NVE.
Yeah, you won't find much because it's not used much beyond church leagues and prep schools.ahh fair enough, I just googled it and couldn't find anything much on it.
Good to know
Except per 48 minute stats are something almost no one goes by. Why? Because it's a bogus stat. For an example, I'll give Reggie Evans a few years ago. Based on his rebounding per 48 minutes, he was better than guys like Duncan and Garnett. Point proven.
Sure, Hill is a better defender. I'm not disputing that. But, Beno is so far ahead of him on offense that it makes his defensive shortcomings void. Hill's jumper is absolutely atrocious. I've seen better jumpers in rec leagues. His finishing is also still suspect, no matter how many finishes on Yao you want to show me. One game doesn't mean , especially on a poor defensive player like Yao.
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