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i guess that is why they have money and the 3 u.s. companies don't have .
Per CNN Headline News, these were the contributions made by the Automotive industry for 9/11. Thought it was intreasting
1. Ford - $10 Million to Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number. 10 2002 Ford Excursions to NY Fire Department. Gave office space to displaced government employees
2. GM - $10 Million to Red Cross and matching employee contributions. Donated 15 vehicles including Silverados and Sierras
3. Chrysler $10 million to support the children of victims of the attack
4. Harley Davidson- $1,000,000 and 30 motorcycles to NYPD
5. Volkswagen- Employees and management created 9/11 Foundation, funded with $2,000,000 for assistance to the children of victims
6. Hyundai- $300,000 to Red Cross
7. Audi- Nothing
8. BMW- Nothing
9. Fiat- Nothing
10. Honda- Nothing; despite boating the 2nd highest sales month ever in 8/01
11. Mitsubishi- Nothing
12. Nissan- Nothing
13. Porsche- Web site offered condolences
14. Subaru- Nothing
15 Toyota- Nothing, despite record sales in July and August of 2001
It's alright for these companies to take money out of our country, but apparently it's not acceptable to return some during a time of crisis
i guess that is why they have money and the 3 u.s. companies don't have .
So should we be bailing them out to the tune of what they contributed? Tug on my heartstrings all you want, but if we throw money at these bankruptcies-waiting-to-happen, we'll all be sorry.
Frankly, I really don't give a if a company is patriotic. A company's objective is to make money, and in doing so, that company will employ people. If a company makes a good product for a good price, and employs workers, what more can you ask? A burst of charity is nice but it's totally irrelevant to the issue.
that is one way to spin it
3 of those companies are working feverishly to get it back.....and then some.
We better hope that if we ever get into a real war that Volkswagon, BMW and Mercedes will manufacture our missile launchers, troop transports and tanks....
that is what boeing, northrop grumman, etc are for.
I'm sure all the soldiers returning home from the middle east over the past 18 years really appreciate that post Dan.
Hes already proven he hates the millitary and this country as much as boutons so thats pointless.
Make less ty cars and everything will get better.
Seriously dude? Is it really charity if it gets thrown in peoples faces later?
Waving the bloody shirt? Seriously?
Old stereotype from people who know nothing of automobiles.
Not surprising you would be one of them though.
yeah, right, we don't know anything about automobiles.
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I'm proud to say that I have bought American cars my entire life with the exception of one vehicle (an acura). pwnt.
If Detroit wasn't visionless & senselessly infatuated with gas guzzlers since the 1970s, and if more Americans didn't view conservation as some sort of terrible infringement on freedom, our entanglements with the Middle East generally and Saudi Arabia specifically would have been far fewer... and 9/11 probably would not have happened.
Have an example post 1995? The auto companies lack of quality and innovation during the late 70s and entire 80s is well do ented.
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Have anything less than 20 years old to about?
Honestly, I am getting slightly more surprised everyday reading this on this board and in the papers. Its as if some of you revel in the idea that you would rather buy foreign cars.
Not that you do buy foreign cars, thats not what I am saying. But that you almost seemto actually enjoy the fact that an American ins ution is borderline bankrupt and they are getting their due.
I ask nicely...
What the is wrong with you, asshole?
I own an American car.
It's not as well deigned or reliable as the foreign cars I have owned.
Not surprising that you're an idiot though.
And that is something to be proud of?
I have to agree-- cars, like anything else should be purchased on the basis of their quality. I find it especially disingenuous when people claim that we should buy American cars for reasons of so-called patriotism. What's next? Maybe schools should replace Shakespeare's plays with the novels of Norman Mailer.... yikes.
Why is it not something to be proud of?
Thats not a very good analogy at all.
There are good american cars-- no doubt-- but my objection is to those who demand that we buy cars made in america for reasons other than quality. So I stand by the analogy... and also see your point, which I partially agree with.
How Domestic Automakers Stack Up in Bread & Butter Segments
Subcompact Sedan/Hatch
Best in class: Honda Fit
Compe ive foreign: Nissan Versa
GM offering: Chevrolet Aveo. Compe ive? No.*
Ford offering: N/A
Chrysler offering: N/A
*Captive import
Compact Sedan/Hatch
Best in class: Mazda3
Compe ive foreign: Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, VW Jetta/Rabbit
GM offering: Chevrolet Cobalt/Pontiac G5. Compe ive? No.
GM offering: Saturn Astra. Compe ive? Yes.*
Ford offering: Ford Focus. Compe ive? No.**
Chrysler offering? Dodge Caliber. Compe ive? No.***
***This car deserves special mention for being unusually awful.
**The European version is awesome.
*Captive import.
Midsize Sedan
Best in class: Chevrolet Malibu
Compe ive foreign: Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Hyundai Sonata, Mazda6
GM offering: See above.
GM offering: Pontiac G6. Compe ive? No.*
GM offering: Saturn Aura. Compe ive? No.*
Ford offering: Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan. Compe ive? Yes.**
Chrysler offering: Chrysler Sebring. Compe ive? No.***
*Even though the cars are mechanically identical to the Malibu, they somehow manage to be inferior.
** Made in Mexico.
***This is possibly the worst new car available for sale in the U.S.
Full-Size Sedan
Best in class: Nissan Maxima
Compe ive foreign: Hyundai Azera
GM offering: Chevrolet Impala. Compe ive? No.
GM offering: Pontiac G8. Compe ive? Yes.*
GM offering: Buick LaCrosse. Compe ive? No.
Ford offering: Ford Taurus. Compe ive? Yes.
Chrysler offering: Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger. Compe ive? No.
*Captive import.
Small Crossover
Best in class: Toyota RAV4
Compe ive foreign: Honda CR-V, Nissan Rogue, VW Tiguan
GM offering: Chevrolet Equinox. Compe ive? No.*
GM offering: Saturn VUE. Compe ive? Yes.
Ford offering: Ford Escape. Compe ive? Yes.
Chrysler offering: Jeep Compass/Jeep Patriot. Compe ive? No.**
*Engine made in China
**This car deserves special mention for being unusually awful.
Midsize/large Crossover
Best in class: (tie) Toyota Highlander, Mazda CX-9
Compe ive foreign: Honda Pilot, Nissan Murano, Hyundai Santa Fe
GM offering: Chevrolet Traverse/Saturn Outlook/GMC Acadia. Compe ive? Yes.
Ford offering: Ford Edge. Compe ive? Yes.
Ford offering: Ford Flex. Compe ive? Yes.
Chrysler offering: Dodge Nitro/Jeep Liberty. Compe ive? No.*
*This car deserves special mention for being unusually awful.
Minivan
Best in class: Honda Odyssey
GM offering: N/A
Ford offering: N/A
Chrysler offering: Dodge Caravan/Chrysler T&C Compe ive? No.
Commentary:
The domestic automakers struggle to make good small cars. In the subcompact segment, most don't try. As vehicles get larger, the domestics become more compe ive. GM makes the best midsize sedan in the Chevy Malibu. GM and Ford make good crossovers.
Some of the better GM/Ford products are captive imports.
Chrysler makes terrible products almost all across the board. Most of their vehicles would not be compe ive against imports from 1999, much less 2009.
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