Smoking ban extended to bars and pool halls in Corpus Christi

[BacktoBasics]

Explain the logic that says that alcohol = cigarrettes.

Better yet, how about the vast majority of us who don't smoke start laws against smoking inside a building in the public domain.

We aren't suggesting that we lift the bans on a building in the public domain. The point about the alcohol is that its an legal age establishment only. When its adults only then you as an adult have the beatiful luxury by law to choose for yourself what you want to be exposed to.

This does not and should not extend to choose what other grown adults of age can choose to do.

You have no right to decide for me. This is why we are all in agreement about the banning of smoking in public areas where minors may not have a choice of exposure.

Again you have no right to choose for me and no right to decide for yourself what a business owner should or shouldn't do at his adults only establishment. Smoking is legal. Its his legal private property open to adults only who can again legally choose to not enter.

Again you have no right to decide for me or any other adult who enters the private property thats open to the public.

That private property thats open to the public affects only the adults of age that choose to enter and no one else.

Stop trying to control other people.

Do you think I should be able to tell you to not eat your burger? NO. Its your choice and the choice of the people who decide to eat it.

[Blake]

The infinitesimally small amount of time you spend in a bar where there is smoke will not lead to cancer.

Unless you work in a smoking establishment or you live with a smoker, you have ZERO chance of contracting cancer due to second hand smoke.

What if I want to work at a bar.

I know I know.......if I don't like it then I go can go work somewhere else.

I bet they told that to non smoking employees back in the 50s 60s and 70s. That had to absolutely suck.

Is it your life's work to perpetuate lies? Or just fears? Do you make your kids wear helmets on their bikes, too?

Lies? what truths do you need about secondhand smoke?

Is the American Lung Association an ok source to quote?

Secondhand smoke, also know as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.1

Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).2

http://www.lungusa.org/site/c.dvLUK9O0E/b.35422/

When did this country (maybe this world) get so damn pussified? What the are you so afraid of that you would want to legislate against an entire portion of population for?

I'm not really afraid of death per se, as much as I don't really want to die earlier than I need to.

Obviously the "second hand smoke causes cancer" bull isnt a reason. Is it because it makes your clothes smell like ?

It's both.

DONT GO! Start your own non-smoking bar. Youre the majority, you should do real well, right? Because everyone that doesnt smoke hates it just as much as you, right?

So pretty much every place that I want to go to, I just need to start my own non-smoking [insert name of business here]

I think today's American is being influenced by special interest groups and start regurgitating the propoganda spewed in our media and try to pass it off as cold hard fact.

I honestly don't know anyone that thinks second hand smoke is ok.

Like secondhand smoke. Sure, you might get cancer, and it may even increase the likelihood. But thats only for those who a) work in heavy smoking establishment (bartenders, waitresses at bars...no, not the lady who works the smoking section every now and then at Chilis) or b) lives with a smoker.

or for the person with allergies that flares up with one hint of that crap.

I know I know.......that person should just not go out anywhere.

Youre being coddled and you dont mind it. The people who finance these initiatives to ban smoking arent people like you, Blake. Theyre insurance companies who dont like the medical bills associated with it. Their first step is banning it in public places. Second is in your car with a minor. third will be in your own home with minors. Fourth will be outright banning.

pffft. I don't know who is behind these initiatives, but if I could, I would give them a pat on the back for their efforts.

How others choose to live their lives is none of your damn business.

....unlesss it infringes on how I'd like to live my life. My non-smoking affects nobody else directly.

Cancer in this country has less to do with smoking than it does with what we stuff in our fat, uneducated faces. Its the food we eat approved by our Food and Drug Administration that really hurts our health, but I dont see legislation being passed in the best interests of the American people on that front.

Probably because I don't have to inhale someone else's second hand Big Mac when I want to go shoot some pool.

All the Kraft Cheese Slices, non-organic feed used for the beef industry, mass disease associated with high concentration cattle ranches, inbreeding, chemical stimulants and steroids, the insecticides and mass storage of mainland food is what causes cancer in this country.

That's absoultely the first time I have ever heard that cheese causes lung cancer.

Secondhand smoke and the effects it has on nonsmokers is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the list as to be considered alarmist at best, negligible at worst (again, outside the criteria I mentioned earlier).

Why dont you and your friends go trumpet that cause, huh?

Oh, thats right. They dont advertise that on television where all the mindless drones can get together and come up with a proper groupthink that can be applied to the rest of society not ignorant and alarmist enough to believe the propoganda. Thosee who dont live their lives fearing every decision and input of energy or toxin as the end all be all of their existence obviously cant coexist with those who do.

Because those who live a more healthy lifestyle couldnt possibly fathom or understand those who choose not to. Something must be done about that, I am sure. Call the government.

Nannystaters and the people who support them can go right to ing , you worthless bags of flesh equipped with only an absorbed opinion. Your only advantage is that you are now the majority.

Thank your public school system. Maybe theyll make a PSA about our lack of education in this country so you drones can get in a tizzy about that, too. Oh wait, thats counterproductive to big government and capitalizing corporations, dont hold your breath. Or just smoke, because youre going to die of cancer anyway.

Right, because you know more than the public schools, the government and the American Lung Association.

who to believe.......

[BacktoBasics]

There is no difference between me telling you that you can't eat a fat ing burger and you telling me that we should outlaw smoking in an adults only bar.

Why?

Because you have the choice on both. You have the choice to eat or not the burger and you have the choice to enter or not enter the bar.

You cannot bend the rules to suit your preference. You cannot make someone run their business differently because you have an opinion. You should only be legally able to chose to not enter.

The bar owner reserves the right to throw you out for any reason and no reason just as much as McDonalds has the right to serve you for any reason and no reason. Just as easily as you can choose for yourself.

Something being gross to you shouldn't justify you wanting to make choices for them. Especially in an adults only establishment.

Why are you people such advocates of having your choices stripped from you. This is what I really don't get. You people don't want others to choose your religion, your meals, your vehicles why should you feel the need to play god on one but not the other?

[Blake]

We aren't suggesting that we lift the bans on a building in the public domain. The point about the alcohol is that its an legal age establishment only. When its adults only then you as an adult have the beatiful luxury by law to choose for yourself what you want to be exposed to.

This does not and should not extend to choose what other grown adults of age can choose to do.

so, smoking in a rated R movie should be allowed?

You have no right to decide for me. This is why we are all in agreement about the banning of smoking in public areas where minors may not have a choice of exposure.

Again you have no right to choose for me and no right to decide for yourself what a business owner should or shouldn't do at his adults only establishment. Smoking is legal. Its his legal private property open to adults only who can again legally choose to not enter.

When I step into a pool hall/bar/dance hall, you just decided for me that I am going to inhale smoke whether I want to or not.

Again you have no right to decide for me or any other adult who enters the private property thats open to the public.

That private property thats open to the public affects only the adults of age that choose to enter and no one else.

Stop trying to control other people.

Do you think I should be able to tell you to not eat your burger? NO. Its your choice and the choice of the people who decide to eat it.

What kids under the age of 18 do you know that go to work every day. If a business owner decides that he wants to make the work environment a smoking one, then by your argument he should have that right.

[BacktoBasics]

How anyone can say this is beyond me.

What if I want to work at a bar.

I know I know.......if I don't like it then I go can go work somewhere else.

WTF seriously. Why can't you appreciate your ability to choose. How in the can you complain about having the ability of choice. You don't like one thing get another. is so bad about that.

Little Timmy doesn't like baseball but dammit if little Timmy is stark raving made about not being picked to play baseball.

Dude you have a choice exercise it instead of trying to with other peoples lives because its not the way you want. Stop being a ing spoiled little brat and be an adult and appreciate your ability to not have to deal with something you don't like.

I want to know right ing now

WHAT THE IS WRONG WITH USING YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICE WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING.

I also want to know why you think you can play god with other people because of your OPINION of what should and shouldn't be made available for an adult to choose. No one's talking about an 8 year old or toddler or even a 16 year old. Why can you push your belief onto another adult to the point of controlling their ability to exercise their cons utional right to make their own choices when it regards being around a legal product? why why why why why why do you think you can ing control other grown adults.

[Dude]

The problem with smoke is it doesn't stay in one area. So you can't compare it to drinking,porn,masturbating,praying to Satan...all those can be kept with in your parameter.

But smoke travels its an odor. If I decide to suck on my girlfriends ear and your in the next booth trying to eat dinner as long as you don't hear me it shouldn't bother you. But if i decide to eat her out and she hasn't had a bath in over a week and the smell of rotten pussy starts to float over to your table as you and your family try to eat seafood?
Then i could see how there is a problem. Just like someone was to go to a public bar and decide to burn the leaves from his front lawn. How long would it take before that person gets tossed out the bar, and even by smokers. Smoke is a form of fire and people shouldn't have to breath it in.

The bottom line people have to eat, they don't have to smoke. So you smokers out there are really violating the rights of others, unless you was born with a cigarette in your mouth then I could see how you can't help it.

And yes I am a smoker, so save all your non smoker smack for the next guy.

[leemajors]

well, smokers have a choice now. if you choose to smoke, you go outside.

[Blake]

There is no difference between me telling you that you can't eat a fat ing burger and you telling me that we should outlaw smoking in an adults only bar.

Why?

Because you have the choice on both. You have the choice to eat or not the burger and you have the choice to enter or not enter the bar.

Huh? Big difference.

If I want a drink at a bar, I have to take into account the smoke.......which last I checked, still has nothing to do with each other.

You cannot bend the rules to suit your preference. You cannot make someone run their business differently because you have an opinion. You should only be legally able to chose to not enter.

then those same rules should apply to every facet of the public domain. Why are you holding children's health in higher regards to adult's?

The bar owner reserves the right to throw you out for any reason and no reason just as much as McDonalds has the right to serve you for any reason and no reason. Just as easily as you can choose for yourself.

Something being gross to you shouldn't justify you wanting to make choices for them. Especially in an adults only establishment.

Why are you people such advocates of having your choices stripped from you. This is what I really don't get. You people don't want others to choose your religion, your meals, your vehicles why should you feel the need to play god on one but not the other?

Is it a right to infringe on someone else's well being?

Odd that you make this statement yet you are ok with smoking bans in general.

[BacktoBasics]

so, smoking in a rated R movie should be allowed?

If the private business owner wants to. Yes. You don't own the place. If its 18 and up and the entire theatre is completely removed from minors. YES. If you're the majority then there would be no shortage of smoke free theatres. There were some restaurants even when smoking was widely accepted that would say...

"sorry sir you'll have to put that out this is a non-smoking ______".

Again why do you think you can control other peoples private property thats opened up only to of age adults who legally can choose to not enter.



When I step into a pool hall/bar/dance hall, you just decided for me that I am going to inhale smoke whether I want to or not.

Yes if its adults only. No minors allowed. Then you can choose to not enter. Guess what pal you have rights. Choose to go somewhere else. Why can't you choose. Why are you incapable of letting someone else run their business as they see fit?

Why can't you choose for yourself.

I don't like the food here lets eat somewhere else next time. WAS THAT SO HARD. DID YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK AND DEMAND A NEW CHEF OR DIFFERENT DISHES?




What kids under the age of 18 do you know that go to work every day. If a business owner decides that he wants to make the work environment a smoking one, then by your argument he should have that right.

Not if minor enters the establishment. If he runs a printing business and puts a sign up that says "adults only no minors permited" then he can make it a smoking environment. If its a place thats fully open to minors and a minor could be exposed then "no smoking". How hard is that for you to understand.

You as a ing adult can make the choice. If you don't like it then find another place to do business. FREE ING WILL. Stop trying to make it the way you want it. Its not up to you. It not your property. When its your property then you make the rules.

Its simple if someone is exposed that has no choice then it should fall under the no-smoking ban. If the people who are exposed have CHOOSEN to be exposed then you have no leg to stand on.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Is the American Lung Association an ok source to quote?

No.

[ploto]

I think a lot of these comparisons are way off. They are not saying you can not drink in a bar, and that is what a bar is for. Most people in bars don't even seem to smoke to me. In Dallas, I believe establishments have to earn 15% of their revenue from selling tobacco porducts to be exempt from the smoking ban.

[BacktoBasics]

Huh? Big difference.

If I want a drink at a bar, I have to take into account the smoke.......which last I checked, still has nothing to do with each other.

Yes because you choose to enter the bar. Go drink at a non-smoking bar. You have no right to play god and decide the rules for the bar owner. You don't like his policy then go yourself. You don't like that he only serves Budweiser then too ing bad. You can't make him serve Miller. You can only choose to leave and choose to never return. You aren't god.



then those same rules should apply to every facet of the public domain. Why are you holding children's health in higher regards to adult's?

Because children often do not have the choice. Nothing more plain and simple than that. When the ability to choose is removed the ability to allow smoking is removed.



Is it a right to infringe on someone else's well being?

Odd that you make this statement yet you are ok with smoking bans in general.



I'm not infringing on someone else well-being if they choose to expose themselves to it. They're choosing to infringe on their own well being. HOW ING HARD IS THAT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. No one forced anything. There's the ing door if you don't like it.

Your infringing on the business owners right to run his business as he sees fit. You for the millionth time CAN ING LEAVE ANYTIME YOU WANT. WOW A ING CHOICE. WHY CAN'T YOU MAKE A CHOICE.

[Salad Tosser]

What I can't stand is when I have to go to the mens room to take a . WTF? Why can't i just take a right there at the bar? I have my own bucket! I hate people telling me where I can and can't take a ! I have rights also i should be able to take a any where at anytime and you have to let me and you have to smell it! this is America!!

[Blake]

WTF seriously. Why can't you appreciate your ability to choose. How in the can you complain about having the ability of choice. You don't like one thing get another. is so bad about that.

Little Timmy doesn't like baseball but dammit if little Timmy is stark raving made about not being picked to play baseball.

Dude you have a choice exercise it instead of trying to with other peoples lives because its not the way you want. Stop being a ing spoiled little brat and be an adult and appreciate your ability to not have to deal with something you don't like.

I want to know right ing now

WHAT THE IS WRONG WITH USING YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICE WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING.

I also want to know why you think you can play god with other people because of your OPINION of what should and shouldn't be made available for an adult to choose. No one's talking about an 8 year old or toddler or even a 16 year old. Why can you push your belief onto another adult to the point of controlling their ability to exercise their cons utional right to make their own choices when it regards being around a legal product? why why why why why why do you think you can ing control other grown adults.

what part of this don't you get?

Nobody is telling anyone else to stop smoking. Just don't smoke around me in a confined space.

seriously, what is the big f-ing deal of walking 15 feet to go outside and light up. You aren't arguing anyone's rights here.......you are arguing for their convenience.

[Salad Tosser]

Another thing I play the accordion. And I should be able to play my accordion anywhere i please. I am tired of people at the bars,the church, and the restaurants, and movies telling me to stop playing my Accordion. We live in America I have rights also!!

You see how the smokers sound?

[BacktoBasics]

I'm ing tired of debating the health implications.

You can choose to expose yourself or you can choose not to. How ing hard is that?

Why can't you people ing choose.

I don't like this car. Then don't buy it.

I don't like the food here. Then don't eat it.

I don't like this shirt. Then don't mother ing buy it.

I don't like working here. Then ing quit.

I don't like the smell of smoke and its bad for me. Then ing walk out the door and never come back.

No one is putting you by force into a situation that is immoral, unethical or illegal. You have no right to decide for everyone else what they should choose.

I want to know right ing now why you think that you can make everyones choice for them because you don't like something that is perfectly legal.

I feel that I've fully addressed the only reasonable situation where you can force your choice over another and thats if the people that could be potentially subject to it have no choice. I'm eliminating smoking from any place where someone doesn't have a choice.

Right ing now I want to know why you can control another adult from making his own choice which affects only him.

[Blake]

Its simple if someone is exposed that has no choice then it should fall under the no-smoking ban. If the people who are exposed have CHOOSEN to be exposed then you have no leg to stand on.

, it's my restaurant. Why the should the government determine how hot I need to keep my foods at.

If the people eat my cancer laden food, then they have CHOSEN to be exposed and have no leg to stand on

[BacktoBasics]

Another thing I play the accordion. And I should be able to play my accordion anywhere i please. I am tired of people at the bars,the church, and the restaurants, and movies telling me to stop playing my Accordion. We live in America I have rights also!!

You see how the smokers sound?

Not if the business owner asks you to leave his private property. Now if you want to play and the business owner is fine with that then play. I know its a tough concept.

[BacktoBasics]

, it's my restaurant. Why the should the government determine how hot I need to keep my foods at.

If the people eat my cancer laden food, then they have CHOSEN to be exposed and have no leg to stand on

They didn't know the food had cancer. Serving food that could cause illness isn't a choice its harmful to people who have no control over it.

[BacktoBasics]

what part of this don't you get?

Nobody is telling anyone else to stop smoking. Just don't smoke around me in a confined space.

seriously, what is the big f-ing deal of walking 15 feet to go outside and light up. You aren't arguing anyone's rights here.......you are arguing for their convenience.

Because its not your ing place to make the rules. Don't come into my ing home and tell me I can't smoke in it.

If the business owner wants to allow it you should shut the up and leave if you don't like.

[Blake]

I want to know right ing now why you think that you can make everyones choice for them because you don't like something that is perfectly legal.

Right ing now I want to know why you can control another adult from making his own choice which affects only him.

see, you've got it backwards. I want to go shoot pool, but I can't because the smoker has made my choice for me.

Nobody is telling that smoker not to shoot pool or not to smoke. Just smoke out the f-u-c-k side so that I can play too.

[Last Comic Standing]

I'm ing tired of debating the health implications.

You can choose to expose yourself or you can choose not to. How ing hard is that?

Why can't you people ing choose.

I don't like this car. Then don't buy it.

I don't like the food here. Then don't eat it.

I don't like this shirt. Then don't mother ing buy it.

I don't like working here. Then ing quit.

I don't like the smell of smoke and its bad for me. Then ing walk out the door and never come back.

No one is putting you by force into a situation that is immoral, unethical or illegal. You have no right to decide for everyone else what they should choose.

I want to know right ing now why you think that you can make everyones choice for them because you don't like something that is perfectly legal.

I feel that I've fully addressed the only reasonable situation where you can force your choice over another and thats if the people that could be potentially subject to it have no choice. I'm eliminating smoking from any place where someone doesn't have a choice.

Right ing now I want to know why you can control another adult from making his own choice which affects only him.

This coming from a man that won't give a refund on a RV if it smells like smoke?



I'm so sure if your next door neighbor decides to raise hogs after about a month of waking up to pig every morning you would be the first to .

[BacktoBasics]

Don't come into my ing home and tell me how to live my life when what I do isn't forced upon you.

When I force you to do something then you have an argument. As long as you can choose then shut the up and choose to leave.

You can't argue preference as a right to control me unless what I do is forced upon you.

Stop trying to change something that you can easily remove yourself from.

[Blake]

Because its not your ing place to make the rules. Don't come into my ing home and tell me I can't smoke in it.

If the business owner wants to allow it you should shut the up and leave if you don't like.

dumb post.

There are absolutely no rules regarding what goes on in your home.

There are a lot of reasons why there are laws regarding public places: so business owners can't do whatever the they want in their own business.

[BacktoBasics]

This coming from a man that won't give a refund on a RV if it smells like smoke?





I'm so sure if your next door neighbor decides to raise hogs after about a month of waking up to pig every morning you would be the first to .

At that points I'm forced to smell the pig . Its not a choice and it infringes on my property. Now if his house smells like pig because he had pigs inside I don't have a right to force him to wash the walls.

Pigs don't smell much anyway. You should have said cats because cats stink like . I've been houses like that its aweful but I don't try to make laws about how the inside of a house smells now do I.

I just don't ing go back genius.