Smoking ban extended to bars and pool halls in Corpus Christi

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

it's either harmful or it's not. which is it?

You mean like arsenic in drinking water?

[BacktoBasics]

Nobody is forcing you to take your kids to the restaurant and it's a compromise then too to ban it in bars because it effects others health.

You're done.

I'm not done you stupid ing moron.

You can't say "it effects others health". You're done you can't use that agrument. Period. The "others" have a choice to enter or not. You cannot blame someone else for your health promblems if you knowingly, again knowingly, enter a place under your own free will by choice with a mother ing sign that says "smoking".

Use YOUR ing judgement to enter or not. "others health" isn't an issue when you have the ability to make a choice.

Its a compromise because yes parents don't have to take their kids somewhere but to "compromise" we should attempt to protect minors that have no "free will".

Stop trying to protect adults who should be protecting themselves. Why do you want to govern grown ing adults? Why do you want to strip their ability to choose on their own?

YOU CAN'T ING USE THE HEALTH CARD BECAUSE IT AFFECTS OTHERS. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CHOICE. GET IT AN ADULT CHOICE.

THEIR LIVES ARE COMPLETELY 100% AGAIN YOU STUPID 100% UNAFFECTED IF THEY AS AN ADULT DON'T WALK IN THE DOOR INTO THE PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT. THEY GET TO ING CHOOSE THEIR OWN ING HEALTH OPTIONS. HOW ING HARD IS THAT FOR YOU.

I SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. HOW DOES SOMEONE GET LUNG CANCER FROM THE BAR BY NEVER GO INTO IT? ANSWER IT YOU ING BAFOON. STOP DECIDING THINGS FOR OTHER ADULTS.

[Blake]

You mean like arsenic in drinking water?

I don't know anyone that has an allergic or asthmatic reaction to drinking water like I do after taking a whiff of cigarette smoke, do you?

[Blake]

I'm not done you stupid ing moron.

You can't say "it effects others health". You're done you can't use that agrument. Period. The "others" have a choice to enter or not. You cannot blame someone else for your health promblems if you knowingly, again knowingly, enter a place under your own free will by choice with a mother ing sign that says "smoking".

Use YOUR ing judgement to enter or not. "others health" isn't an issue when you have the ability to make a choice.

Its a compromise because yes parents don't have to take their kids somewhere but to "compromise" we should attempt to protect minors that have no "free will".

Stop trying to protect adults who should be protecting themselves. Why do you want to govern grown ing adults? Why do you want to strip their ability to choose on their own?

YOU CAN'T ING USE THE HEALTH CARD BECAUSE IT AFFECTS OTHERS. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CHOICE. GET IT AN ADULT CHOICE.

THEIR LIVES ARE COMPLETELY 100% AGAIN YOU STUPID 100% UNAFFECTED IF THEY AS AN ADULT DON'T WALK IN THE DOOR INTO THE PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT. THEY GET TO ING CHOOSE THEIR OWN ING HEALTH OPTIONS. HOW ING HARD IS THAT FOR YOU.

I SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. HOW DOES SOMEONE GET LUNG CANCER FROM THE BAR BY NEVER GO INTO IT? ANSWER IT YOU ING BAFOON. STOP DECIDING THINGS FOR OTHER ADULTS.

yeah, you're definitely done. So am I.

Thank God the majority of us have common sense regarding this and will have this full blown ban up and running in the next decade.

[BacktoBasics]

Judge: So Mr. Blakian you're suing the bar for getting lung cancer?

Blakian Dip : Thats right. I got the cancer from second hand smoke in the bar.

Judge: Did anyone force you to enter the bar?

Blakian: Well no but I wanted a beer and I wanted to shoot pool.

Judge: Does your health require you to drink a beer or shoot pool? Was entering the bar 100% optional for you?

Blakian: No my health doesn't require beer or pool. I entered at 100% my own personal descretion.

Judge: Did you know that they were smoking in there?

Blakian: Yes

Judge: Did you see the smoking sign?

Blakian: Yes

Judge: did you know that second hand smoke may or may not harm you?

Blakian: Yes

Judge: THEN WHY THE DID YOU GO IN? YOU KNOW ITS BAD YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A CHOICE AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T GET SICK BY NOT ENTERING. YOU ALSO KNOW THAT SMOKING IS LEGAL BUT YOU ALSO KNOW THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE TO NOT ENTER.

THE ONLY PERSON YOU SHOULD BE PISSED AT IS YOURSELF.

DISMISSED.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't know anyone that has an allergic or asthmatic reaction to drinking water like I do after taking a whiff of cigarette smoke, do you?

I don't know anyone who's death was directly linked to SHS, do you?

Just post the studies. If I am misinformed on the subject, then I'll back off my stance.

[leemajors]

i would hope blakian could afford to retain better counsel.

[Blake]

I don't know anyone who's death was directly linked to SHS, do you?

Just post the studies. If I am misinformed on the subject, then I'll back off my stance.

yes, you are misinformed. Stop reading sites that are funded by smokers.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

yes, you are misinformed. Stop reading sites that are funded by smokers.

It'd help if you posted links.

I still don't get why a federal judge's ruling is affected by where it's posted. Care to elaborate?

[leemajors]

very tangential question for the smokers in here - do you smoke in your homes?

[BacktoBasics]

yeah, you're definitely done. So am I.

Thank God the majority of us have common sense regarding this and will have this full blown ban up and running in the next decade.

Congradulations on destroying this country. I know you're proud.

NannyNanny Boo Boo you got your way.

I don't find you to be the majority either. The minority may be actual smokers but the majority don't want you governing their lives.

The majority don't want the Patriot Act but we ing got it. Majority doesn't rule this country. You are as blind as you are stupid.

Your minority has partnered up with the select few who make the laws. You've willed your preference on us without compromise.

I hate you and I hate people like you. This world is a worse place for having people who think like you do. Your country is a worse place for having people like you. Our governments have been destroyed by people just like you. I hope that one day we rid ourselves from dictators like you.

So many of you morons think this country is built on the democracy of the few. Its built on individual rights and the ability to exercise free will according to law.

You have no concept of how your Country was founded. Stupid unAmerican American.

[jack sommerset]

at this thread. 2nd hand smoke

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[Blake]

It'd help if you posted links.

I still don't get why a federal judge's ruling is affected by where it's posted. Care to elaborate?

I could post one hundred links but I have a feeling your mind is already set that it's not as lethal as it's made out to be based on your findings from research done 10 years ago....

but i'm going to throw you one last morsel just because I'm a nice guy.

Drop in second-hand smoke deaths predicted


Reuters Health

Thursday, December 18, 2008


NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The number of deaths and heart attacks due to second-hand smoke exposure may fall by as much as 30 percent if current downward trends in passive smoking exposure continue, according to a new report.

"Exposure to passive smoking has been reduced by 25 percent to 40 percent, and its burden has been reduced by 25 percent and 30 percent over the last 8-10 years, but the burden remains substantial," Dr. James M. Lightwood and colleagues write in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine.

Lightwood of the University of California San Francisco and his team used the Coronary Heart Disease Policy Model to gauge the health and cost burden of passive smoking on US residents over 35. The model is a computer simulation of the impact of heart disease caused by smoking, blood pressure, cholesterol levels and other factors.

The researchers estimated the prevalence of passive smoking exposure by looking at measurements of cotinine, a nicotine byproduct, in the blood of people participating in the National Health and Nutrition Evaluation Survey. At least a quarter of people 35 to 84 met the strictest criteria for second-hand smoke exposure, while up to 40 percent of men and 30 percent of women are exposed to some level of second-hand smoke.

Based on the assumption that passive smoke exposure boosts heart disease risk by 26 percent to 65 percent, for 1999-2004 Lightwood and his colleagues peg the number of heart disease deaths a year due to passive smoking at 21,800 to 75,100, and estimate that second-hand smoke causes 38,100 to 128,900 heart attacks.

If the downward trend in passive smoking exposure observed between 1988 and 2004 continued through to 2008, according to the researchers, deaths and heart attacks due to second-hand smoke would fall by 25 percent to 30 percent.

Continued reduction in second-hand smoke exposure will likely be driven by efforts to ban smoking in public and in the workplace and to promote smoke-free homes, they conclude.

SOURCE: American Journal of Preventive Medicine, January 2009.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/n...ory_72931.html

[Blake]

You have no concept of how your Country was founded. Stupid unAmerican American.

I understand your concept clearly. Business owners should be allowed to do whatever they want unless it goes against B2B's own personal right and wrongs.



whatever dude.

[Blake]

...

[Dex]

Walking into a bar and complaining about the smoke is like walking onto the highway and complaining about the cars.

But it seems the times, they are a changin'

[Blake]

Walking into a bar and complaining about the smoke is like walking onto the highway and complaining about the cars.

But it seems the times, they are a changin'

walking into a humidor yes, pool hall no. dance club, no. hole in the wall bar? iffy.

but yes they are.

[BacktoBasics]

I understand your concept clearly. Business owners should be allowed to do whatever they want unless it goes against B2B's own personal right and wrongs.



whatever dude.

Wrong again .

Its not my personal right and wrongs. You are the dumbest person I may have ever encountered.

Its the personal rights granted to us by the Cons iution. The Cons ution written and founded by and for this country.

Make no mistake its not my personal opinion its my right founded in law since the inception of this Country.

You and you're people are choosing to ignore it for your own personal agenda.

[leemajors]

Wrong again .

Its not my personal right and wrongs. You are the dumbest person I may have ever encountered.

Its the personal rights granted to us by the Cons iution. The Cons ution written and founded by and for this country.

Make no mistake its not my personal opinion its my right founded in law since the inception of this Country.

You and you're people are choosing to ignore it for your own personal agenda.

I'll take a stab at answering for Blake here - the cons ution guarantees the right to smoke in a bar?

[Blake]

I'll take a stab at answering for Blake here - the cons ution guarantees the right to smoke in a bar?

beat me to it

oh well

[Blake]

why am I still bothering with this stupid thread.

It'll be a moot point in 20 years and people will look back on this just like they did when white restaurant owners were finally forced by our crappy all intrusive Bush Hitler Big Brother government to have to serve blacks.

[BacktoBasics]

We are never going to convince Blake because he believes things that are wrong. He simply will never understand.

Here is a short list of what he'll never get.

1. A cons utional right to make an individual choice. He the government to make his choices for him.

2. A business is still private property. He'll never get this.

3. You do not have a right to enter a business you have the choice to enter at the descretion of the owner and can be removed at any time. Still hasn't gotten this

4. Compromise. He has no concept of give and take.

5. He thinks this Country is founded on democracy of the few not individual rights and free will.

6. He doesn't understand the word hypocrate and how its defined and used.

7. Has no concept of free will and the ability to exercise it.

8. He will never see how his sense of en lement is fundamentally wrong and goes against what this Country is founded on.


Blake is the most narrowminded idiotic dictatorlike thought process driven asshole we might have ever encountered outside of Angel Luv.

Blake is an ant, a soldier, not a liberator. Do what is told not what is right. Minions like yourself have supported the causes of the few so much to the point where your fellow hard working peers are now slaves to our government instead of being protected by it. You are supporting the very machine that inslaves you because you've removed your ability to think rationally about what is a right and what isn't.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I could post one hundred links but I have a feeling your mind is already set that it's not as lethal as it's made out to be based on your findings from research done 10 years ago....

but i'm going to throw you one last morsel just because I'm a nice guy.

An wide ranging estimate?

Much of the uncertainty in the estimates is related to lack of knowledge of the true relative risk

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/Smoking/12005

[leemajors]

blake will be all over hypocrate.

[BacktoBasics]

I'll take a stab at answering for Blake here - the cons ution guarantees the right to smoke in a bar?

Sort of. More like the cons ution guarantees the right of the bar owner to set the rules of his bar because its his private property. The bar is under the bar owners name not the cities and not the states. Its not a right for anyone to enter its a privilege. The bar own opened his private property up to the public and he can remove you from the bar at any moment.

Since smoking is legal the bar owner has the right to allow it. When smoking is illegal then the argument changes.

Now the bar owner doesn't have the right to allow acid use in his bar because acid is illegal.

Just like he doesn't have the right to allow stomach punching and so forth.

All I'm an advocate for is choice in a private establishment where its adults only. This removes the notion of "what about the people who can't control their intake of smoke like kids at a restaurant or at grocery store because their parents forced them to go". Strictly an optional only social setting where only an adult can choose for himself to be exposed or not.