I dont need proof to know Santa Claus doesnt exist and any ammount of faith isnt going to change the fact that he doesnt exist.
I disagree and just because the Bible was written by human hands doesn't mean to me that it is as you say a "made up religion". It is a good point that you make but since I believe that God spoke through the prophets then it is not just made up.
But it does NOT prove that God doesn't exist.
Well, duh. But there was a real St. Nick.
What about all of the historical evidence and meanings and explanations behind everything in the Bible? It's all explained in detail and with amazing connectivity.
All just a huge conspiracy coincidence? lol. Any further denial is just dishonesty and insanity.
I can show you a man who doesn't believe that America ever landed on the Moon. He could forever until his death bed, with ALL TYPES OF EVIDENCE AND HISTORICAL FACT given to him, just deny it and say he believes we never landed on the moon.
"I don't care if this stuff here you showed me says we did land on the moon, I believe all of this is fake and we never landed on the moon"
Does that mean we can't prove to him that we DID land on the moon or does it prove that the man is crazy or dishonest?
Obviously.
Spirituality gives people great strength.
To all the s who like to act high and mighty for being so advanced as to not believe in a god, go yourself.
Learn to have inner strength through self-confidence and reality and not on some lala-land fairy tale religion that causes a lot of headaches on earth.
Well, there you go again. We have PROOF that we landed on the moon. There is NO PROOF there is no God.
Can't you understand that? It is really very simple yet you cannot grasp that fact.
Now I can't prove to you there IS a God anymore than you can prove there is NOT a God. I'm sure you have faith that you are correct and I can assure that I have faith that I am correct.
My father's religion taught him complete inner-strength from which he has passed onto me. And I do mean complete, he is un-breakable in every facet of life.
I have seen religion/spirituality do wonders for people. They live full, wonderful, happy, fulfilling lives. Get over yourselves and let people believe what they want.
What ever works for you in your lala-land my friend.
There is PROOF that CHRISTIANITY IS MAN-MADE and FAKE. BY DEFAULT, that means the God of Christianity DOES NOT EXIST.
Remember, MAN-MADE -AND- FAKE. Not "Man-made inspired by God", but FAKE.
By Default. Seriously, are you just trolling?
omg what a throw by pennington. eat it jets!
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No I am not trolling. Are you? There in NO PROOF that God does not exist. You haven't shown a single shred of evidence and that is because you simply CAN'T. Stating that religion is man made is NOT proof that God doesn't exist.
Can't you just admit that? I've admitted I cannot prove to you that God exists can't you admit that you cannot prove he doesn't?
Christianity copied/stole/borrowed many things.
Jesus was not the first and only dying and ressurecting Godman come to save us.
The list is quite large.
ALL of them came to earth as God made flesh, born a virgin, did miracles - even the same ones in the jesus story -, died, resurrected, etc.
All of them BEFORE Jesus. Some of them date back to EGYPT.
Same story. People created religions with the SAME EXACT THEME and the SAME EXACT dying and ressurecting Godman, with even the SAME EXACT BIRTHDAY and CELEBRATIONS.
All of them BEFORE Jesus.
This is PROOF that Jesus was just another one in the chain.
The reason Christianity lasted and the others didn't is because of Constantine. He made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and thus was born the Roman Catholic Church.
The Roman Catholic Church was one of the most EVIL en ies in human history. The Inquisition and burning of books was the MAIN reason the Jesus myth survived and the others didn't. The hidden meanings behind the story were stamped out and instead people were taught that Jesus really DID walk on water, etc.
That is proof that it's fake.
That's enough out of you JoeChalupa, you are a troll.
JoeChalupa : I am sorry NASA, but this is not sufficient proof that you landed on the moon. Just because you have this moon rock doesn't prove anything. It could have come from Earth. You can't prove it's from the moon. You just can't. I don't believe you.
I am not a Troll but I can see you are. Thanks for the History lesson but you still have not shown me ANY proof that God doesn't exist because you can't.
Go ahead and run off now.
"the list is sooo large, i'll go ahead and list none of them"
It's funny that Christians like to paint god with this incredibly wide brush when it comes to his existence, and then endow that extremely general god with all the traits of Christian god who peeks in on everyone and listens to every prayer. The god who is all-knowing and all-powerful (is that even possible? if he knows the future with 100% certainty, than he clearly cannot change his mind later and is therefore not all-powerful).
It is so obvious that if I cannot see God, then he does not exist. Why are we discussing this matter?
Hem hem.. Stop arguing! It's me!
How often do God threads happen? Weren't you guys here for the Manu doesn't believe in God thread?
Here's a pretty good God thread from back in the day ...
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ghlight=Thread
I was just annoyed at JoeChalupa's trolling.
Here is the basic outline of all of these figures :
* is God made flesh, the savior and "Son of God."
* His father is God and his mother is a mortal virgin.
* He is born in a cave or humble cowshed on December 25 before three shepherds.
* He offers his followers the chance to be born again through the rites of baptism.
* He miraculously turns water into wine at a marriage ceremony.
* He rides triumphantly into town on a donkey while people wave palm leaves to honor him.
* He dies at Eastertime as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
* After his death he descends to , then on the third day he rises from the dead and ascends to heaven in glory.
* His followers await his return as the judge during the Last Days.
* His death and resurrection are celebrated by a ritual meal of bread and wine, which symbolize his body and blood.
Here's a list of some of them :
Osiris
Osiris’s “son” or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:
--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
--His earthly father was named “Seb” (“Joseph”).
--He was of royal descent.
--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by “Anup the Baptizer” (“John the Baptist”), who was decapitated.
--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his “witnesses” and were named “Anup” and “Aan” (the two “Johns”).
--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (“El-Osiris”), from the dead.
--Horus walked on water.
--His personal epithet was “Iusa,” the “ever-becoming son” of “Ptah,” the “Father.” He was thus called “Holy Child.”
--He delivered a “Sermon on the Mount” and his followers recounted the “Sayings of Iusa.”
--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
--He was also the “Way, the Truth, the Light,” “Messiah,” “God’s Anointed Son,” “the “Son of Man,” the “Good Shepherd,” the “Lamb of God,” the “Word made flesh,” the “Word of Truth,” etc.
--He was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish (“Ichthys”), Lamb and Lion.
--He came to fulfill the Law.
--Horus was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”
--Like Jesus, “Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years.”
Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago [1500 years before Jesus’ alleged advent] on the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception, Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus; with Kneph the “Holy Ghost,” impregnating the virgin; and with the infant being attended bh three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. In addition, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis—the original “Madonna and Child.”
Dionysus/Bacchus
Dionysus or Bacchus is thought of as being Greek, but he is a remake of the Egyptian god Osiris, whose cult extended throughout a large part of the ancient world for thousands of years. Dionysus’s religion was well-developed in Thrace, northeast of Greece, and Phrygia, which became Galatia, where Attis also later reigned. Although a Dionysus is best remembered for the rowdy celebrations in his name, which was Latinized as Bacchus, he had many other functions and contributed several aspects to the Jesus character:
--Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger.
--He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
--He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.”
--He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
--Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25.
--He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
--He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.”
--He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.”
--He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
--His sacrificial le of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
Attis of Phrygia
--Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana.
--He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.
--His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers
--His priests were “eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.”
--He was both the Divine Son and the Father.
--On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.
--He descended into the underworld.
--After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the “Most High God.
Krishna of India
The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah Krishna number in the hundreds, particularly when the early Christian texts now considered apocrypha are factored in. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was “Christna,” which reveals its relation to “Christ.” Also, in Bengali, Krishna is reputedly “Christos,” which is the same as the Greek for “Christ” and which the soldiers of Alexander the Great called Krishna. It should be further noted that, as with Jesus, Buddha and Osiris, many people have believed and continue to believe in a historical Krishna. The following is a partial list of the correspondences between Jesus and Krishna:
--Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (“Divine One”) on December 25.
--His earthly father was a carpenter, who was off in the city paying tax while Krishna was born.
--His birth was signaled by a star in the east and attended by angels and shepherds, at which time he was presented with es.
--The heavenly hosts danced and sang at his birth.
--He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
--Krishna was anointed on the head with oil by a woman whom he healed.
--He is depicted as having his foot on the head of a serpent.
--He worked miracles and wonders, raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.
--Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love, and he “lived poor and he loved the poor.”
--He castigated the clergy, charging them with “ambition and hypocrisy . . . Tradition says he fell victim to their vengeance.”
--Krishna’s “beloved disciple” was Arjuina or Ar-jouan (Jouhn).
--He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
--He gave his disciples the ability to work miracles.
--His path was “strewn with branches.”
--In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
--Krishna was killed around the age of 30, and the sun darkened at his death.
--He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven “in the sight of all men.”
--He was depicted on a cross with nail-holes in his feet, as well as having a heart emblem on his clothing.
--Krishna is the “lion of the tribe of Saki.”
--He was called the “Shepherd of God” and considered the “Redeemer,” “Firstborn,” “Sin-Bearer,” “Liberator,” “Universal Word.”
--He was deemed the “Son of God” and “our Lord and Savior,” who came to earth to die for man’s salvation.
--He was the second person of the Trinity.
--His disciples purportedly bestowed upon him the le “Jezeus,” or “Jeseus,” meaning “pure essence.”
--Krishna is to return to judge the dead, riding on a white horse, and to do battle with the “Prince of Evil,” who will desolate the earth
Mithra of Persia
--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
--He had 12 companions or disciples.
--Mithra’s followers were promised immortality.
--He performed miracles.
--As the “great bull of the Sun,” Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
--He was buried in atomb and after three days rose again.
--His resurrection was celebrated every year.
--He was called “the Good Shepherd” and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
--He was considered the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” [Word] “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
--His sacred day was Sunday, the “Lord’s Day,” hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.
--His religion had a eucharist or “Lord’s Supper,” at which Mithra said, “He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.”
--“His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration.”
Furthermore, the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, and the Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced . . .
. . . Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier Pagan mystery religions.
Zoroaster/Zarathustra
--Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.”
--He was baptized in a river.
--In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom.
--He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil.
--He began his ministry at age 30.
--Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.”
--He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man.
--He taught about heaven and , and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse.
--He had a sacred cup or grail.
--He was slain.
--His religion had a eucharist.
--He was the “Word made flesh.”
--Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 CE and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.
There are MORE. This is not the complete list.
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The explanation behind WHY Dec. 25 is important and everything else :
For instance, many of the world's crucified godmen have their traditional birthday on December 25th. This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earthcentric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th. The following are the characteristics of the "sun of God":
* The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
* In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
* The sun is the "Light of the World."
* The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
* The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
* The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
* The sun "walks on water."
* The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
* The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
* The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
* The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
All of them just another form of....SUN WORSHIP. God's holy day is what? Sun-Day
Question (just a question)...why is Jesus the one that stuck?
Read up on Constantine and the Catholic Roman Church.
The Roman Church was one of the most evil en ies in human history. Read up on the Inquisition, the massive burning of books, what do you think that was about? Stamping out everything else.
Once Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, replacing Mithraism (see up there), they used it as a vessel for power. Heck, the Pope was the one who was to divide the new world between Spain and Portugal!
Corruption is not new to the 20th and 21st centuries.
Was the Roman Inquisition really designed to stamp out ancient Greek, Egyptian, or Persian gods? It seems to me those belief systems were long gone by the time the inquisitions rolled around.
Why is that?
Mithraism was NEVER the official religion of the Roman Empire. At best, it was a fringe belief system (a cult, if you will) and seemingly exclusive to a sample of military personnel.
Yes it was. For about 300+ years, Mithraism was the most popular and was OFFICIAL religion of the Empire.
About Constantine :
This enabled Emperor Constantine to merge the cult of Mithra with that of Christianity that was developing much. He declared himself a Christian but at the same time maintained his ties to the Mithra cult. He retained the le "Pontifus Maximus" the high priest. On his coins were inscribed: "Sol Invicto comiti" which means, commited to the invincible sun. This new blend of the two faiths, he officially proclaimed as Christianity. Christianity spread all over the Roman empire and Eastern Europe by massive persecution and brought and end to a variety of religions that flourished there. [...]
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