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    I'm surprised Angel wasn't the one to introduce it!
    we all know she was thinking it

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    oh something hidden.

    like just implant it in them when they asleep
    I would never be for implanting anything in someone's body to keep track of them. If it something they carry out, like a cell phone or maybe something in the car they are driving (probably borrowed from me), I don't see what would be wrong with that. Also, I would still respect my child's right to some freedom and would only use it if it was something out of the ordinary, like maybe not checking in with me overnight or being missing...

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    What is with the "child's right to freedom"? Maybe this the problem with kids today because they feel they deserve "freedom" from parents at such an early age. Not in my house. As long as my kids live in under my roof they need to understand OUR rules. I give mine their privacy but they know I can go into their rooms at any time and I don't need no damn search warrant.

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    What is with the "child's right to freedom"? Maybe this the problem with kids today because they feel they deserve "freedom" from parents at such an early age. Not in my house. As long as my kids live in under my roof they need to understand OUR rules. I give mine their privacy but they know I can go into their rooms at any time and I don't need no damn search warrant.
    Youre overprotective, trying to compensate from a media that has driven you to fear-mongering.

    The chances fo your child suc bing to a predator are close to nill. The chances of your child be kidnapped, also so close to zero it might as well be.

    But since you only see what the media shows you, and hear what they tell you, you live in fear of a society that has no ill intention for you or your oh-so-invaluable children.

    Basically, youre pussified and pacified. Sufficently scared of the outside world that global tracking systems for children actually became a viable market.

    If this isnt CrazyWorld, Orwell wrote about Utopia.

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    I bet you make your kids wear helmets when they ride bikes, too, huh?

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    People, in general, put enitrely too much significance on their children. There was a time when the weak died and the strong lived.

    If your kid is dumb enough to die in some accidental fashion from lack of self-preservation understanding, that was called "nature rules".

    These counter-measures we as a society try to put in place are why I think this country's collective IQ has taken a steep hit in recent generations. The weak ones didnt die the way they were supposed to.

    But thats another argument.

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    Youre overprotective, trying to compensate from a media that has driven you to fear-mongering.

    The chances fo your child suc bing to a predator are close to nill. The chances of your child be kidnapped, also so close to zero it might as well be.

    But since you only see what the media shows you, and hear what they tell you, you live in fear of a society that has no ill intention for you or your oh-so-invaluable children.

    Basically, youre pussified and pacified. Sufficently scared of the outside world that global tracking systems for children actually became a viable market.

    If this isnt CrazyWorld, Orwell wrote about Utopia.
    there's opposite ends of that spectrum. You are definitely on one end of it.

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    I bet you make your kids wear helmets when they ride bikes, too, huh?
    I bet you don't have kids.

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    I bet you make your kids wear helmets when they ride bikes, too, huh?
    Damn right I do. And their seat belts too for they are my most precious cargo.

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    People, in general, put enitrely too much significance on their children. There was a time when the weak died and the strong lived.

    If your kid is dumb enough to die in some accidental fashion from lack of self-preservation understanding, that was called "nature rules".

    These counter-measures we as a society try to put in place are why I think this country's collective IQ has taken a steep hit in recent generations. The weak ones didnt die the way they were supposed to.

    But thats another argument.
    What ever rocks your boat. I'm protective and I don't give a damn what you think.

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    FIRST, if you don't have kids, you can't tell someone not to be protective of theirs.

    Next, we have a OBLIGATION as parents to protect our kids, not shelter them from the world. You guys are arguing about kid's rights, which like JC they have none in my house. It has nothing to do about trust. I have a good kid and I trust him, it's all the other crazy s I don't.

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    People, in general, put enitrely too much significance on their children. There was a time when the weak died and the strong lived.
    I feel bad for your kids (if you have any)...

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    The chances fo your child suc bing to a predator are close to nill. The chances of your child be kidnapped, also so close to zero it might as well be.
    To put it into perspective, a child has 10x the risk of dying while playing youth sports than of being kidnapped.


    Ban youth sports.

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    FIRST, if you don't have kids, you can't tell someone not to be protective of theirs.

    Next, we have a OBLIGATION as parents to protect our kids, not shelter them from the world. You guys are arguing about kid's rights, which like JC they have none in my house. It has nothing to do about trust. I have a good kid and I trust him, it's all the other crazy s I don't.
    +1 Exactly.

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    To put it into perspective, a child has 10x the risk of dying while playing youth sports than of being kidnapped.


    Ban youth sports.
    I knew this argument was gonna go here. When my kid plays football, I know he's on the field playing football. When he's out with his friends, you never know exactly.

    The two are not even remotely the same.

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    I knew this argument was gonna go here. When my kid plays football, I know he's on the field playing football. When he's out with his friends, you never know exactly.

    The two are not even remotely the same.
    Over ninety percent of abductions come from family or friends of family.

    You're better off introducing your child to complete strangers than your own inner circle.

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    Okay, I understand what DR is saying. When I was a kid I never wore a helmet when riding my bike but I did crack my skull open and came home with a face full of blood and I lived and me and my brother were gone from sun up to sun down during our summer days. But we were boys and times were different. I admit that I am very protective of my girls and while I know that I cannot protect them 24/7 I will do everything in my power to do so. I see young girls walking around after dark and while that may be fine for some parents I just don't roll that way. If my oldest goes to a friends house I must know the address and have a phone# to that friends parent/guardian who live in that house. No excuses. But that is just me. I may be in the minority and not a "cool" parent but those are my rules.

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    double post
    Last edited by JoeChalupa; 01-07-2009 at 03:49 PM. Reason: double post

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    This watch is just another form of this monstrosity.



    I dont know how anyone can see that and not feel how degrading it is for both the child and the parent, the worst part is the child cant even understand how degrading it is. Can you imagine putting something like that on an 11 year old?

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    This watch is just another form of this monstrosity.



    I dont know how anyone can see that and not feel how degrading it is for both the child and the parent, the worst part is the child cant even understand how degrading it is.
    I've never done that but as a parent I can certainly understand it.

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    Over ninety percent of abductions come from family or friends of family.

    You're better off introducing your child to complete strangers than your own inner circle.
    This may be true....if so, I would still want to know where my kid is in those types of situations.

    I hear what your saying, and I let my kid hang out with his friends, I just have to know exactly where he is at ALL times. I even get an email at work sent to me when he's late to a class or has missed one.

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    yes!!! I already do! We put a GPS locator in my daughter's car when she started driving. It tells us where she is, how fast she is going, how long she was at someplace, when the ignition is turned off & on. You can also set electronic fences. If the car ventures outside a certain geographical area you have set up during a specified time it will alert you. That's great to make sure they don't leave the school during school hours. It also gets us a discount on our insurance as an anti-theft device. She hated having it at first but changed her mind after she had that accident on Borgfeld in August. It proved she wasn't speeding when the accident happened.
    And before any of you say how she'll find a way to sneak around it, I realize that if she wants to get away with something all she has to do is go in someone else's car but then it will tell me she left her car sitting somewhere for 4 hours or whatever. It isn't foolproof but it's one more tool in our arsenal of parenting a teenager.

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    Okay, I understand what DR is saying. When I was a kid I never wore a helmet when riding my bike but I did crack my skull open and came home with a face full of blood and I lived and me and my brother were gone from sun up to sun down during our summer days. But we were boys and times were different. I admit that I am very protective of my girls and while I know that I cannot protect them 24/7 I will do everything in my power to do so. I see young girls walking around after dark and while that may be fine for some parents I just don't roll that way. If my oldest goes to a friends house I must know the address and have a phone# to that friends parent/guardian who live in that house. No excuses. But that is just me. I may be in the minority and not a "cool" parent but those are my rules.
    That's being a smart parent.

    The GPS thing just seems like unnecessary paranoia, though.

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    The GPS thing just seems like unnecessary paranoia, though.
    What? Stranger Danger is real.

    I see it on Nancy Grace almost every night.

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    This watch is just another form of this monstrosity.



    I dont know how anyone can see that and not feel how degrading it is for both the child and the parent, the worst part is the child cant even understand how degrading it is. Can you imagine putting something like that on an 11 year old?
    True story, we were in New Orleans and had just cruised around Jackson Square. At the time the street was closed to let tourist walk around. Later that day as we were walking back to our hotel, I hadn't noticed they opened the street and cars were coming down it (very fast). My kid bolted away and was making a mad dash into the street. I was pretty far from him (he's mom put him down for a sec) and I ran after him. If not for a stranger who snatched him up at the very last second he would have for sure been killed. I needed that thing that day.

    I don't use them, put I can see why someone would....not on an 11 year old tho...

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