Aparently you don't remember several of the series where Kobe torched the Spurs on their way to the 3 peat.
Really? The Kobe vs Jordan stuff yet again? Same ole broken record...
LeBron has had a MUCH better team than Kobe since Shaq left. Kobe took a D-League team to the West Playoffs. Quite an achivement.
The Cavs have been one of the top Defensive teams for at least 3 years now.
Last year was the first time Kobe had a team that could compare with Pau and Kobe made the Finals, LeBron didn't.
They both get a chance again this year.
Interesting tidbit: Kobe is the best player and closer in the game, yet managed to choke away two NBA finals... MJ didn't do that...
Kobe had clank many shots that could've won the game too...what's your point ?
Why is Kobe and MJ in the same sentence of this thread le?
MJ is still > Kobe, no doubt. But Kobe has 5-6 years more to close the gap.
Care to elaborate on that?
MJ >>>>>>>>.................
..........................>>>>>>>> Kobe
In the last 5 minutes of close games, LeBron James:
* Scores more than Kobe
* Shoots a higher percentage than Kobe
* Is more efficient than Kobe
* Rebounds more than Kobe
* Gets more assists than Kobe
* Gets more blocks than Kobe
* Gets more steals than Kobe
Kobe is better making buzzer-beaters? I don't know - there's lot of wrong perceptions when it comes to "clutch" performances - but even if true, that's not good enough: in that case, Reggie Miller would be > MJ.
Yes, MJ I believe has 25 game winners and with Kobe's game winner over Indiana a week ago, he tied Jordan. There was some article about it, I'm not sure exactly how many but it's around 25.
His time ran out if you ask me... He needs to win 6 more rings being the undisputed LEADER of the team...
I will tell you I personally think he's the best player in the game right now, above Lebron. But he's nowhere near MJ.
I agree, I just don't want to count him out...just yet. Another Finals loss and yes, I will probably agree he has no chance.
Apart from the OP, most agree it's not even close. Jordan is better. Not saying Kobe isn't great, but Jordan is simply better.Not according to Kobe nutslobbers.
http://www.clublakers.com/forum/view...p?f=9&t=105927
They actually think Kobe will end up becoming a better player than Jordan.
Man are they a delusional fan base.
How many of Kobe's game winners are in the Finals? The closest I can think of was him forcing OT in game 2 of the 04 Finals.
Close the gap on what?
There isn't anything Kobe can do to close the gap on MJ. Fakers have to realize at some point that MJ has 6 Finals MVP's and ain't nobody going to win that many Finals MVP's in the near future.
I have no idea how many were in the Playoffs/Finals/regular season.
I just saw that article and thought it was remarkable that Kobe was tied with Jordan in game winners (regular season & Playoffs btw).
If Kobe can win 4-5 more rings, there's definitely a place for debate on who was greater.Close the gap on what?
There isn't anything Kobe can do to close the gap on MJ. Fakers have to realize at some point that MJ has 6 Finals MVP's and ain't nobody going to win that many Finals MVP's in the near future.
- Completely predictable that a LakeShow fan started this thread. Nine-time World Champions with a Who's Who of greatness in their history, yet their fanbase is comprised almost entirely of insecure chicks. Sad, really, to see a fanbase not worthy of its team.
- There is a difference between not hitting shots and choking. I've watched just about every game LBJ has played since he's come into the league. I've seen him come up large, and I've seen him come up short. I have never seen him choke.
- That having been said, LeBron played like garbage tonight.
- Kobe isn't even in the same universe as Michael Jordan.
Congrats but that still doesn't make Kobe better than MJ.
The thing with Kobe is that he wants to be like Mike. Badly.
MJ didn't care for stats, didn't say oh if I get these and these numbers I'll be better then that guy.
Kobe in the other hand is crunching numbers in his head trying to figure out how much of this or that he needs to match MJ.
Kobe>MJ wannabe.
No one over here is even doubting that (atleast not me), but when some delusional Lakers fans (and insecure i might add) try to belittle Lebron. Now that is when most of us have a problem.
Again people have to realize that Lebron is only 24 and is only going to improve.
LeBron took a D-League team to the Finals.
Hard to call their 07 team all that good defensively, starting Daniel Gibson, Sasha Pavlovic, and Ilgauskas. Allowing few points because you play a slow pace doesn't equate to being good defensively any more than it did with those early 2000s Knicks teams or Fratello's Cavs teams.The Cavs have been one of the top Defensive teams for at least 3 years now.
Compare? Kobe's supporting cast would annihilate LeBron's. The Lakers minus Bryant would still have a shot at a 7 or 8-seed in the west. Take James off the Cavs and they'd have a shot at Blake Griffen.Last year was the first time Kobe had a team that could compare with Pau and Kobe made the Finals, LeBron didn't.
They both get a chance again this year.
Not another one of these threads. Who cares who's better. They all are/were great and each team that had/has them is blessed.
Not at all. That was an elite defensive team. Just look at their roster against the Spurs.
They were ranked among the top Defensive teams in 2007.Hard to call their 07 team all that good defensively, starting Daniel Gibson, Sasha Pavlovic, and Ilgauskas. Allowing few points because you play a slow pace doesn't equate to being good defensively any more than it did with those early 2000s Knicks teams or Fratello's Cavs teams.
You gotta be kidding me. Kobe had Smush, Luke, Kwame as starters, it doesn't get any worse than that. I don't even remember the bench, they were that bad. Odom was the only good player but his baby had passed away that year and he was lost.Compare? Kobe's supporting cast would annihilate LeBron's. The Lakers minus Bryant would still have a shot at a 7 or 8-seed in the west. Take James off the Cavs and they'd have a shot at Blake Griffen.
The '07 Cavaliers were the 4th best defensive team in the NBA (Def. Eff.), besides being the best rebounding team in the league.
They had good def. players like Varejão, a old but still serviceable Donyell Marshall, Eric Snow, etc.
I agree: Kobe's supporting cast would win 98/100 games over the LeBron-less Cavaliers, 90 of them by +10 points margin.
Prove it, dumbass.
Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown would have beaten the LeBron less Cavs?
You gotta be kidding me. Smush is playing in China, Luke Walton has his dad's bad wheels and 1/10th of his skill, Kwame Brown...nuff said.
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