Lebron James you are not and will never be the closer Kobe and MJ are

[Donkeybong]

You wasted your time signing up to tell us this?

Ive been a lurker for a while. I just needed to lay some smack down to these gump es

[Allanon]

So Allanon fantasizes about stretch sucking his ? That's ing GAY.

He said it, not me. I was just quoting him

[stretch]

I never said they were a good team without LeBron. I'm saying that cast is MUCH better than Kobe's cast. Look it up.

Somebody said that LeBron took a D-League team to the Finals in '07. I said that's not true, that WAS a good team.

STFU

[JoeTait75]

while this thread is re ed, it's true that Kobe is still better than LeBron. The gap has closed considerably but LeBron isn't there yet.

That's fine. No problem with that take.

My problem is when people stick LeBron with the choker label. That's idiocy.

[IronMexican]

Do we have one of these threads every week?

[monosylab1k]

He said it, not me. I was just quoting him

Meaning you said you suck Kobe's . Which is equally gay.

[Allanon]

STFU

Do you even know how to read?

I said that LeBron took a GOOD team to the Finals. What's wrong about that? You're saying that team sucked?

[monosylab1k]

Do we have one of these threads every week?

You shoulda seen the old Kobe/MJ threads that popped up every week for a few months there.

[Allanon]

Meaning you said you suck Kobe's . Which is equally gay.

I guess we're just all gay.

[stretch]

Do you even know how to read?

I said that LeBron took a GOOD team to the Finals. What's wrong about that? You're saying that team sucked?

Yes. Without Lebron, they were absolute trash.

[Allanon]

Yes. Without Lebron, they were absolute trash.

Of course. The Lakers of 07 would have been even worse absolute trash. At least LeBron had NBA players, , Smush is in China.

[mogrovejo]

Ah, I said the OLD playoff comparisons. Obviously not right now.

Somebody said that LeBron took a D-League team to the Finals in '07. I said that's not true, that WAS a good team. But in '07, Kobe took a seriously D-League team to the West Playoffs.

LeBron's had more talent on his team than Kobe since Shaq left.

I was replying to another poster who was clearly talking about the present (he referenced that the Cavs without LeBron would have a shot at Blake Griffin and that the Lakers without Kobe would still be a play-off team).

I agree that the '07 Cavs were marginally better than the '07 Lakers. However, LeBron is much better today than he was back then.

[stretch]

Of course. The Lakers of 07 would have been even worse absolute trash. At least LeBron had NBA players, , Smush is in China.

and the 07 Lakers didn't get past the first round. how impressive.

[xtremesteven33]

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Paul
4. Duncan
5. Wade

[IronMexican]

You shoulda seen the old Kobe/MJ threads that popped up every week for a few months there.

It gets tiresome. I don't think this will ever end.

[stretch]

fact is, since Kobe is so much better, older, and more experienced, he has far less excuses for ing up than Lebron. if he is so much better, than that should at least somewhat make up for Lebron's "superior" team. however, Lebron has never lost in the first round, unlike Kobe.

[monosylab1k]

Of course. The Lakers of 07 would have been even worse absolute trash. At least LeBron had NBA players, , Smush is in China.

Lamar Odom is far better than any two players on the 07 Cavs combined. And your team was coached by Phil Jackson, not Mike Brown, whose idea of coaching is sitting with a bag of popcorn watching LeBron 82 nights a year. Kobe > Lebron, but to say that Kobe's 07 team was worse than LeBron's is just stupid.

[JoeTait75]

Of course, you also have to take into account the state of the Cavaliers franchise when LeBron came into the league, which was, of course, deplorable. The Lakers at their absolute worst couldn't be as bad as the Cavaliers were in 2003, and I don't think you can find another great player who came into a situation that bad. We were pretty much at an expansion level at that point.

[Allanon]

I agree that the '07 Cavs were marginally better than the '07 Lakers. However, LeBron is much better today than he was back then.

Marginally better? I would trade Smush/Luke and Kwame for Big Z or Verajao straight up. Give me Boobie Gibson for all 3 of Devin Green/Brian Cook/Mo Evans.

[ElNono]

That Cavs team was an embarrassment. There's a reason we swept them in the Finals. We shut down Lebron and they folded right away. Detroit should have been there, but they dug their own grave when they hired Flip Saunders.

[IronMexican]

Anyways, the Office is about to start, so I will leave you guys to this re ed thread, which we will be having the same conversation about in a week.

[stretch]

LMAO didnt even think about that. lakers coaching staff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cavaliers coaching staff

[Allanon]

and the 07 Lakers didn't get past the first round. how impressive.

They lost to the Suns...who barely lost to the champion Spurs. There's no embarrasment in that.

[stretch]

Of course, you also have to take into account the state of the Cavaliers franchise when LeBron came into the league, which was, of course, deplorable. The Lakers at their absolute worst couldn't be as bad as the Cavaliers were in 2003, and I don't think you can find another great player who came into a situation that bad. We were pretty much at an expansion level at that point.

Good point. Lebron has done a great job of turning that once joke of a franchise around.

[Cry Havoc]

Yes, MJ I believe has 25 game winners and with Kobe's game winner over Indiana a week ago, he tied Jordan. There was some article about it, I'm not sure exactly how many but it's around 25.

That's the most re ed statistic I've ever heard. "Game-winners?" So that basically means that the game was so close you needed a buzzer beater to seal it.

How many HUNDREDS of games did Jordan "close" halfway through the THIRD quarter?

How many hundreds of times did Jordan go on a run in the early 4th to put his team up double digits?

How many thousands of shots did Jordan hit when he got on a roll and buried a team so that the game was never in doubt with 5:00 to play?

Michael Jordan annihilated teams. He bulldozed and destroyed them. He never NEEDED to hit game winners because he rarely ever put his team in a position where they COULD lose IF he missed. Jordan didn't need to drop a three with 10 seconds left on the clock and do the "I have big balls dance" because he was so good, the game was hardly ever in doubt when he was on the court.

Lakers fans and children under 16 are the ONLY people who are going to say that Kobe is even in the same REGION as Jordan. This comparison needs to end, because Jordan was RUTHLESS on the court. Kobe wants the spotlight at the end, to be the hero. Jordan didn't care about dramatics, he would put you away when he wanted, where he wanted.

6-0 in the Finals. 6 Finals MVPs. Kobe will never TOUCH that. Kobe will never merit an actual comparison to MJ to true fans of basketball.