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    Is it patriotic of Rush to hope that Obama's policies fail so long as those policies are ones that he disagrees with? I mean, if I disagreed with President Bush's policies and hoped those policies failed, I would (undoubtedly) be labelled unpatriotic (or worse).

    I guess my question for wholesale ideologues is whether the health and prosperity of the nation can, in some instances, be put aside in the hope of winning an ideological battle? Is patriotism wishing the health and prosperity of the nation or is it a matter of prevailing in a civil war of ideas?
    Rush doesn't say, "I hope Obama's policies alone fail, or are voted down," he wishes for Obama to fail as a president. Considering the current state of America right now, and how much the people are suffering, you would think any patriot would be hoping for relief for this country, no matter who brings it or in what medium. Rush was a staunch supporter of the last 8 years of Bush in office, and how did that go for everyone? Clearly, Mr. Limbaugh has a good idea of what this country needs. That's why the man he supported took us to the cleaners.

    You'd think he'd man up and say, "Well, if Obama can help this country, it would sure help a lot of needy families and people out there." But that would be too positive of a message to send to other human beings who are obviously so different from himself that he can never wish them well. Plus, it may piss off a lot of his listeners who are chomping at the bit for stark condemnation of Obama. So we're left with this tripe, and it saddens me. Whatever happened to country before party?

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    ooooh somebody stop me...

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    So, WC, you are for states rights when California decides to pass laws compelling auto manufacturers to lower emissions? Or legalizing marijuana? Or against nuclear waste storage? How about physician assisted suicide? Or issuing id cards to illegal immigrants?

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    In response to Rush's monologue all I can say is - Ditto!!

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    Rush doesn't say, "I hope Obama's policies alone fail, or are voted down," he wishes for Obama to fail as a president. Considering the current state of America right now, and how much the people are suffering, you would think any patriot would be hoping for relief for this country, no matter who brings it or in what medium. Rush was a staunch supporter of the last 8 years of Bush in office, and how did that go for everyone? Clearly, Mr. Limbaugh has a good idea of what this country needs. That's why the man he supported took us to the cleaners.

    You'd think he'd man up and say, "Well, if Obama can help this country, it would sure help a lot of needy families and people out there." But that would be too positive of a message to send to other human beings who are obviously so different from himself that he can never wish them well. Plus, it may piss off a lot of his listeners who are chomping at the bit for stark condemnation of Obama. So we're left with this tripe, and it saddens me. Whatever happened to country before party?

    As much as I disagree with Rush, I'm very happy their is loyal opposition to Obama. My contention is that over the past 8 years that not only were liberals loyal opposition, but they also hoped that Bush failed even before decisions were made.

    nevertheless, i agree that it's time to put that behind us now and get back to work.

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    Rush doesn't say, "I hope Obama's policies alone fail, or are voted down," he wishes for Obama to fail as a president. Considering the current state of America right now, and how much the people are suffering, you would think any patriot would be hoping for relief for this country, no matter who brings it or in what medium. Rush was a staunch supporter of the last 8 years of Bush in office, and how did that go for everyone? Clearly, Mr. Limbaugh has a good idea of what this country needs. That's why the man he supported took us to the cleaners.

    You'd think he'd man up and say, "Well, if Obama can help this country, it would sure help a lot of needy families and people out there." But that would be too positive of a message to send to other human beings who are obviously so different from himself that he can never wish them well. Plus, it may piss off a lot of his listeners who are chomping at the bit for stark condemnation of Obama. So we're left with this tripe, and it saddens me. Whatever happened to country before party?

    Yup.

    Paying attention to Rush is a bit like watching Kabuki theater in that you know there is a stock of well-worn characters that will be trotted out and held aloft like bait for the suckerfish that comprise his audience.

    X is a liberal, so therefore X is (insert emotionally negative adjective here)

    X is a liberal, so therefore X will do (insert wild exaggeration about something scary to conservatives here)

    X is a liberal, so therefore X said and meant (insert 1/2 truth strawman here)


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    So, WC, you are for states rights when California decides to pass laws compelling auto manufacturers to lower emissions? Or legalizing marijuana? Or against nuclear waste storage? How about physician assisted suicide? Or issuing id cards to illegal immigrants?
    I would be in favor of that as long as they don't come begging other states/the federal government to bail them out.

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    So, WC, you are for states rights when California decides to pass laws compelling auto manufacturers to lower emissions? Or legalizing marijuana? Or against nuclear waste storage? How about physician assisted suicide? Or issuing id cards to illegal immigrants?
    or for state's rights when they legalized gay marriage?

    WC wants a federal cons utional amendment banning that if memory serves, so that the silly states can't do anything so crass as to decide for themselves about such things.

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    Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.

    Some of you like Cry Havoc are probably ting yourselves for finally finding out there is such things as partisanship. In fact some of you like FWD and Cry Havoc are probably having a reaction much like this one;

    "Partisanship no f'n way....
    Oh noes!! for Real!!! OMF'n @#$@#%! and you mean to also tell me that those DQ employees can defy gravity when they dip and make those chocolotes ice cream cones!!!! Whooah!! I bet nowadays there's technology far advanced to where your phone can be your time watch and your planner at the same time!!! Oh my!! somebody get me a glass of water.

    They're probably going to include camera and a music library in your phone in the future after Obama brings forth change!

    Si se puede!!

    Si se puede!!"

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    In response to Rush's monologue all I can say is - Ditto!!
    you need summers eve. you stank.

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    Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.
    I'm not quickly pointing out anything or forgetting anything. I'm simply noting that for the last 8 years, anyone who questioned the sitting President's policies or had the temerity to hope aloud that those policies would fail was automatically labeled unpatriotic. I'm just wondering if the same is true of Rush, who is, as of this moment, questioning and hoping aloud that the sitting President's policy choices will fail, or more directly that the President himself will fail. Is he unpatriotic? If not, why were those who questioned the last President unpatriotic when Rush (as an example) is not?

    Frankly, I think that anyone who actively wishes for the President to fail is a self-involved jackass and definitely has put his or her interests above the welfare of the nation. I disagreed with much that the last President did, but that didn't mean that I actively hoped for his choices to fail.

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    Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.
    Bush did fail and the other side has prevailed.

    Blaming bad mouthers for this turn of events is infantile and a failure of integrity. I thought real conservatives owned up to their shortcomings and took responsibility for their failures. Instead, typically, you preach accountability for me but not for thee.

    Do you get how pathetic it sounds to blame the press, Ig? The GOP had all three branches of government. They had the whole world -- and the whole country -- behind them after 9/11. They had MSM in their pocket too, for about three years. And they still blew it.



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    Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.

    Some of you like Cry Havoc are probably ting yourselves for finally finding out there is such things as partisanship. In fact some of you like FWD and Cry Havoc are probably having a reaction much like this one;

    "Partisanship no f'n way....
    Oh noes!! for Real!!! OMF'n @#$@#%! and you mean to also tell me that those DQ employees can defy gravity when they dip and make those chocolotes ice cream cones!!!! Whooah!! I bet nowadays there's technology far advanced to where your phone can be your time watch and your planner at the same time!!! Oh my!! somebody get me a glass of water.

    They're probably going to include camera and a music library in your phone in the future after Obama brings forth change!

    Si se puede!!

    Si se puede!!"
    Really? Everyone wanted Bush to fail?

    Please explain the former president's 90+% approval rating post 9/11. That does not seem to me like a nation divided by partisanship, one hoping that the man who doesn't follow their political desires will fail. Heck, I was on the verge of buying, "I support Bush" merchandise, something I've never done for any president from either political party (besides, "Vote Perot" because it made people laugh).

    Bush had the highest approval rating in history, on both sides of the political fence, and pissed it away.

    Now, the republican supporters have a chance to not only show the country that they support their president, but that they are capable of rooting for a guy that they didn't vote for. It's what this country -- as a whole -- used to do. And yet I see more and more, those who voted for McCain are still completely, utterly convinced that Obama doesn't belong in the White House. I have ZERO problems with you demanding that he earn your respect, however, you must give him a chance to earn it. Sadly, I don't think many republican supporters will ever do that. I just hope they continue to sound as fanatical as Whottt does, because it makes it pretty easy for me to decide who I'm going to vote for in 2012 unless there is a drastic turn-around from that party.

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    Bush did fail and the other side has prevailed.

    Blaming bad mouthers for this turn of events is infantile and a failure of integrity. I thought real conservatives owned up to their shortcomings and took responsibility for their failures. Instead, typically, you preach accountability for me but not for thee.

    Do you get how pathetic it sounds to blame the press, Ig? The GOP had all three branches of government. They had the whole world -- and the whole country -- behind them after 9/11. They had MSM in their pocket too, for about three years. And they still blew it.



    "the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf." --Rep. Tom Davis(VA)
    qouting someones post does not cons ute reading and comprehending ones point.

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    Bush did fail and the other side has prevailed.

    Blaming bad mouthers for this turn of events is infantile and a failure of integrity. I thought real conservatives owned up to their shortcomings and took responsibility for their failures. Instead, typically, you preach accountability for me but not for thee.

    Do you get how pathetic it sounds to blame the press, Ig? The GOP had all three branches of government. They had the whole world -- and the whole country -- behind them after 9/11. They had MSM in their pocket too, for about three years. And they still blew it.



    "the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf." --Rep. Tom Davis(VA)
    post that doesn't pertain to the subject matter.

    I'm not quickly pointing out anything or forgetting anything. I'm simply noting that for the last 8 years, anyone who questioned the sitting President's policies or had the temerity to hope aloud that those policies would fail was automatically labeled unpatriotic. I'm just wondering if the same is true of Rush, who is, as of this moment, questioning and hoping aloud that the sitting President's policy choices will fail, or more directly that the President himself will fail. Is he unpatriotic? If not, why were those who questioned the last President unpatriotic when Rush (as an example) is not?

    Frankly, I think that anyone who actively wishes for the President to fail is a self-involved jackass and definitely has put his or her interests above the welfare of the nation. I disagreed with much that the last President did, but that didn't mean that I actively hoped for his choices to fail.
    post that does.

    it simple.

    and then you have Cry Havoc.

    any asshole can post posts, qoute qoutes, and point out points, but it takes a real whiny poster like cry havoc to cry havoc. Nothing personal against Cry Havoc. He is just doing what his screen name suggest he supposed to do. No surprises here.

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    i hope rush dies from a in' coke overdose or maybe a hotdog getting lodged in his throat. that fat in' !

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    i hope rush dies from a in' coke overdose or maybe a hotdog getting lodged in his throat. that fat in' !
    i never wish death on anybody. But while you're here mr bar bunny, why don't you get me some buffalo wings, peanuts, and some shiner. Make yourself useful to this board.

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    post that doesn't pertain to the subject matter.
    Twitting me for being off topic?

    Oh well, there's a first time for everything. I had no idea netiquette was enforced in ST.

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    Twitting me for being off topic?

    Oh well, there's a first time for everything. I had no idea netiquette was enforced in ST.
    Net ettiquette lol!! oh wow, don't make excuses. If you're qouting my post, then the most sensible thing to do is respond to what i actually said and not try to decipher my thoughts or lump me in with a group of people you detest.

    No netiquette required here, just basic understanding.

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    Twitting me for being off topic?

    Oh well, there's a first time for everything. I had no idea netiquette was enforced in ST.
    Net ettiquette lol!! oh wow, don't make excuses. If you're qouting my post, then the most sensible thing to do is respond to what i actually said and not try to decipher my thoughts or lump me in with a group of people you detest.

    No netiquette required here, just basic understanding.
    Winehole, meet Gtown.

    Gtown, Winehole.

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    Winehole, meet Gtown.

    Gtown, Winehole.
    Winehole reminds me a little of Extra Stout.

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    post that doesn't pertain to the subject matter.

    post that does.

    it simple.

    and then you have Cry Havoc.

    any asshole can post posts, qoute qoutes, and point out points, but it takes a real whiny poster like cry havoc to cry havoc. Nothing personal against Cry Havoc. He is just doing what his screen name suggest he supposed to do. No surprises here.
    Yes, because calling someone out on their username is well-played, considering that yours is from a late night adult-swim cartoon. You've got me trumped there. Shakespeare really can't compete with Aqua Teen. You're just doing what you do, waddling around in your 2D universe firing lasers at people.

    It IS humorous though. You think I'm whining. I'm actually quite glad that we're seeing this reaction to Obama being elected. It's like watching an idiot shoot himself in the foot with a gun and then inspect the barrel with his eyes to see what went wrong. The republican party (or at least their high-profile pundits) are showing their true colors and destroying their reputation in doing so.

    I am GRATEFUL for this ability to so easily discern patriots from people who just want to have their way or else start moaning about the inadequacy of the "other" and then doing every attention-seeking thing possible when a single election doesn't go like they planned (see my original post for a fantastic example of this).

    I personally know several staunch republicans who wish Obama well if it means the betterment of our country. They're a good example of patriotism in action. Sadly, the higher up in the party I go, the less I see that. 56% of republicans in Congress and the House thought Bush did a good job. That's all I need to know when thinking about who they nominate for their next candidate. So, I thank them for making my job as as an American much easier. I was around 50/50 on voting before the primaries, thinking maybe Bush was just a one-shot mistake. Now I feel that party is a laughingstock, and I'm happy that they continue to crystallize the situation for me.

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    I second Rush -- motion passed and carried. Here is to hoping Obama fails as President in his attempt to finish what Woodrow Wilson and FDR started..

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    Yes, because calling someone out on their username is well-played, considering that yours is from a late night adult-swim cartoon. You've got me trumped there. Shakespeare really can't compete with Aqua Teen. You're just doing what you do, waddling around in your 2D universe firing lasers at people.

    It IS humorous though. You think I'm whining. I'm actually quite glad that we're seeing this reaction to Obama being elected. It's like watching an idiot shoot himself in the foot with a gun and then inspect the barrel with his eyes to see what went wrong. The republican party (or at least their high-profile pundits) are showing their true colors and destroying their reputation in doing so.

    I am GRATEFUL for this ability to so easily discern patriots from people who just want to have their way or else start moaning about the inadequacy of the "other" and then doing every attention-seeking thing possible when a single election doesn't go like they planned (see my original post for a fantastic example of this).

    I personally know several staunch republicans who wish Obama well if it means the betterment of our country. They're a good example of patriotism in action. Sadly, the higher up in the party I go, the less I see that. 56% of republicans in Congress and the House thought Bush did a good job. That's all I need to know when thinking about who they nominate for their next candidate. So, I thank them for making my job as as an American much easier. I was around 50/50 on voting before the primaries, thinking maybe Bush was just a one-shot mistake. Now I feel that party is a laughingstock, and I'm happy that they continue to crystallize the situation for me.

    Considering Shakespeare might have been a plaigerizer, yeah maybe being the laser shooting mooninite isn't such a bad idea.

    But, yeah okay Cry Havoc, you're right. Extreme partisanship was born here on this date 1.20.09.

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    I second Rush -- motion passed and carried. Here is to hoping Obama fails as President in his attempt to finish what Woodrow Wilson and FDR started..
    So is implacable unpatriotic?

    Would implacable have called me unpatriotic for having uttered identical hopes for the Bush Presidency?

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