Is Manu Ginobili Just A Jump Shooter These Days?

[ducks]

It's becoming pretty clear that Manu's best days are behind him. If our le hopes depend on the return of super Manu, then you might as well concede defeat going forward.
A miracle turnaround ain't going to happen, he's had a great career here, but it's time to make the best of what we have left of the Duncan era and look to the future.

But he won't be traded, I think he's Pop's favorite player, just as he is for a lot of fans here. Even when Manu screws up, or can't play consistantly, he gets a free pass because he's such an uber-compe or or some such bollocks.

why does he get a free pass but other spur players do not
duncan and other spur players hate to lose also
and trying to do to much out there hurts the team more then helps

[ElNono]

drove today passed the ball and the three point shooters missed
did you not watch the game

not his greatest game but he was not the reason they lost

You don't get it, do you? Do you know what sarcasm means? I love Tony Parker as much as I love every other Spur. And if Tony has a bad game or a bad stretch of games, so be it. That's what being a fan of the TEAM is. You are just flat out hating on one of our players.

[ElNono]

Maybe I should just drop the ball here... At this point I think I'm feeding the troll...

[ducks]

spurs need a big
suggesting they trade a player on the decline while he has value before the trading deadline
should be ok to do

I want him to do well
I WANT THE SPURS TO WIN A LE
IF MANU PLAYS LIKE THE OLD MANU IT WOULD INCREASE THE SPURS CHANCES
unless they trade him

[mrspurs]

Manu will never be the same. Thats just the plain truth of it all. This is a pure result of not listening to his elders when they asked him not to play in the Olympics. The adults in here already know this. Sometimes we make choices in our lives, and sometimes we have to live with the results based on those decisions for the rest of our lives. I will never forget the smiling Manu when he was met by the not smiling Pop at the airport. Pop knew like most adults did. Manu made a poor decision by playing after the season ended with an injury. Not only does he have to deal with having to change his game, but its also effected the path of the Spurs. Of course there are always goods mixed in with those bads. But with this roster filled with shooters, we need what Manu used to do. With Manu its not about running out of gas. Its all about not being able to push off.

[2centsworth]

old manu was a big key
HE IS FINSHED NOW though
so trading him when he has some value is HUGE FOR THE SUCCESS OF SPURS

you've been saying Manu sucks since he's been here. Your latest posts are just more hate. this is my last time responding to such nonsense though, because it's such a waste of time.

btw, if Manu played like Old Manu the spurs would walk to a championship.

[MB20]

The adults in here already know this. Sometimes we make choices in our lives, and sometimes we have to live with the results based on those decisions for the rest of our lives.

Do you think Manu regrets his decision of playing in the Olympics ?
You have no clue.

[mrspurs]

Do you think Manu regrets his decision of playing in the Olympics ?
You have no clue.

Without a doubt. Manu regrets playing in this past Olympics. But in a Mans World. You avoid those kind of questions and just continue to push forward. Thats not a clue, thats a fact........Your acting like Manu used to. And thats not Championship wise Your no longer worthy of my words. Welcome to my ignore........

[ElNono]

Manu will never be the same. Thats just the plain truth of it all. This is a pure result of not listening to his elders when they asked him not to play in the Olympics.

Let go of the Olympics. He already said 20 million times that 1) He had the OK from the Spurs to play there, 2) He had to have surgery regardless, 3) He doesn't regrets playing there and 4) That his ankle feels fine at this point.

[MB20]

Without a doubt. Manu regrets playing in this past Olympics. But in a Mans World. You avoid those kind of questions and just continue to push forward. Thats not a clue, thats a fact........Your acting like Manu used to. And thats not Championship wise Your no longer worthy of my words. Welcome to my ignore........

Whatever...

Go have a beer with ducks

[Kermit]

Kori, is there any way that you and LJ could trade ducks to a rival forum? Maybe for someone who is averaging less annoyance but with better typing skills? Ducks just isn't the same hater he used to be and of the big three (being the biggest bags on this forum), he's the one I would miss the least. Quick, before he has little or no value remaining.

[SpursPreacher]

I think manu still needs more time to get into shape.Give him another 3 weeks and I think he will be the manu we all know and love to watch play.

[mrspurs]

Let go of the Olympics. He already said 20 million times that 1) He had the OK from the Spurs to play there, 2) He had to have surgery regardless, 3) He doesn't regrets playing there and 4) That his ankle feels fine at this point.

Noway, until Manu makes up for betraying his American Teamates will he get the Pass from me. And yeah Im sure Manu's ankle has a brain. Its his ankle that tells him. No dont drive Im not ready yet, just shoot the 3 instead? Pop,Timmy and TP(with the addition of Roger and Hill) have been making up for Manu's Huge Mistake. When Manu returns the favor, then and only then will he redeem himself. Thats how life is with or without the basketball. Dont take it personal, we all make mistakes. I like Manu, but imo right now he's stuck between learning his new game. Many high flyers struggle while adapting to their bodys requests. Finley used to be one of those high flyers. The great ones allow themselves to learn new ways.

[ElNono]

Noway, until Manu makes up for betraying his American Teamates will he get the Pass from me. And yeah Im sure Manu's ankle has a brain. Its his ankle that tells him. No dont drive Im not ready yet, just shoot the 3 instead? Pop,Timmy and TP(with the addition of Roger and Hill) have been making up for Manu's Huge Mistake. When Manu returns the favor, then and only then will he redeem himself. Thats how life is with or without the basketball. Dont take it personal, we all make mistakes. I like Manu, but imo right now he's stuck between learning his new game. Many high flyers struggle while adapting to their bodys requests. Finley used to be one of those high flyers. The great ones allow themselves to learn new ways.

I think Manu has been changing his game since last year really. Well before any ankle problems. He was just shooting at a higher clip and making them. This year he just isn't. I really don't think the ankle had much to do with it. When your shots are going in nobody cares wether you drive or not.
Some people just have short memory. Go take a look at his best stretch last year, right around the All Star game, and you'll see games against the Timberwolves and Atlanta, where he hit 4 or 5 treys in a row. You won't see many drives. Yet everyone was happy.

[Capt Bringdown]

why does he get a free pass but other spur players do not
duncan and other spur players hate to lose also
and trying to do to much out there hurts the team more then helps

I don't know, ask Pop. Used to be this was Duncan's team...

[Manu-of-steel]

Noway, until Manu makes up for betraying his American Teamates will he get the Pass from me. And yeah Im sure Manu's ankle has a brain. Its his ankle that tells him. No dont drive Im not ready yet, just shoot the 3 instead? Pop,Timmy and TP(with the addition of Roger and Hill) have been making up for Manu's Huge Mistake. When Manu returns the favor, then and only then will he redeem himself. Thats how life is with or without the basketball. Dont take it personal, we all make mistakes. I like Manu, but imo right now he's stuck between learning his new game. Many high flyers struggle while adapting to their bodys requests. Finley used to be one of those high flyers. The great ones allow themselves to learn new ways.

manu has a brain but not as small as yours. and he plays not only with his brain, but also with heart, with passion. that's what made manu a fan-favorite. there was no betrayal-kindly look at the meaning of that word in a dictionary if you must. you're just a hater- waiting for a time for manu to have a not-so-good game and bash him.

[Manu-of-steel]

I don't know, ask Pop. Used to be this was Duncan's team...

this is timmy's team. but there are no spurs players who gets a pass from pop. pop treats all players the same, but he deals with them in a way we can only guess. that's what make pop a great coach. i'm thankful you're not the spurs coach.

[JPB]

Tony: 2.5 TOs/game
Manu: 2.0 TOs/game

Tony : 6.5 ass and 2.5 tos in 35 min - 3.4 tos per 48 min - 2.6 ratio
Manu : 4.40 ass and 2.0 tos in 26 min -3.7 tos per 48 - 2.2 ratio

[Ice009]

If my memory serves me correct, Manu used to be fearless driving to the whole and finishing around the basket.

These days, he's been looking like an Argentinian Michael Finley.

Is he still "getting back into shape after the surgery"? Or is he washed up? Or maybe I am delusional and don't remember correctly the type of player he was?


I don't think the Spurs can win with Manu just standing around chucking up three-pointers. They are at their best when he is driving to the basket and creating plays. It opens up the entire offense.

Someone needs to tell Manu that because he forgot what his game is and what the Spurs need the most. The Spurs don't need anymore jump shooters.

[it's me]

Don’t know….after winning some championships and consistently getting to the playoffs during a long period of time.. the regular season has became a “training season” for most spurs players…. And Ginobily learned a big lesson last season… playing out of his mind early and sucking in playoffs is totally worthless.

We will see most spurs player jumpshooting, it’s just a way to save their bodies for the playoffs…. And yes… Manu is not the same.

[WalterBenitez]

He is improving his skills, not only flopping and that's why he's making some turnovers ... attacking the rim??? let that for playoffs, and put him when TP isn't running the PG.

[SenorSpur]

He's slowly evolved into a 3-ball chucker - regardless of situation, regardless of time on the shot clock. He used to use his aggressive drives to open up his deep perimeter game. Now it's the other way around.

[101A]

These are VERY important games!

Manu should drive with reckless abandon, sacrifice his body - get every win at all costs! Don't worry about anything else, health be damned; the most important thing is wins in January - not health in April!!!!

Last season proved that.

[temujin]

These are VERY important games!

Manu should drive with reckless abandon, sacrifice his body - get every win at all costs! Don't worry about anything else, health be damned; the most important thing is wins in January - not health in April!!!!

Last season proved that.

Absolutely.

Not to mention that a loss in LA is worth 4 losses in the standings, while a win with Clippers is only worth 0.1.

As all these smart trade-Ginobili posters point out, the Spurs record is 28.1-17.

[vander]

I said it over the offseason and I'll say it many more times if necessary

this team will not win another le with manu on the roster

take it to the bank