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ing Jailblazer got.
He's right, every crowd is illogical. I remember the game where Horry knocked down West, and when West was on the ground, cringing in pain, I could hear the applause, and it sickened me. Especially at the restaurant I watched the game at, I was the only Spurs fan who was concerned.
ing Jailblazer got.
They hacked Bruce 3 times for 6 FTs and Manu got some intentionals at the end, too. Our average FTAs per game is 20, placing us in the bottom 10 in the league.Seriously? And you guys complain about officiating? LMAO!
Guides to not allowing a lot of FTs against the Spurs:
1. Don't give Manu 4 feet of space on the wing so he can get momentum started and run into defenders who have no ability to stay in front of him.
2. Don't allow Parker to do whatever the heck he wants with the ball. This means rolling under a pick instead of hedging is going to be our bread and butter all night unless you do something about it.
3. Don't have Steve the Sieve on defense.
4. Don't hack a bowen
We are actually dead last in the NBA at getting to the line: 20.6 FTA/game.
I wish Mason would drive more. He is too good a FT shooter to hardly get to the line. I would definitely prefer Mason, Finley, Manu, and Bonner to shoot FTs over Duncan, Bowen, and even Parker.
The officiating has always sucked. A foul should be a foul and a violation should be a violation, no matter who commits it.....be it a future HOFer, a league MVP, a rookie, or some journeyman scrub.
I have been watching the NBA basically all my life. I learned early on that superstars get the calls. Those players seldom fouled out, they got away with many violations, and were even allowed to be more verbally abusive to the refs than other players.
I learned that teams with certain reputations got more calls than others. If you are known for hardnosed defense, rebounding and tough play, less fouls were called on you than a finesse team. If you were aggressive the calls tended to go your way.
I hate that defensive players have perfect position and are merely occupying their own space....while the offensive player invades that space, initiates all the contact and is able to draw a foul on the defender. I hated the way Karl Malone and Reggie Miller would kick the defender on their jump shots and draw a foul. I hated that Malone would knee the defender in the chest or clear out with his elbows and draw the foul.
I understand that Superstars get the calls, and I am cool with it, since those are the guys that put butts in the seats and keep em there. This is why I am so frustrated with how disrespected Duncan has been over the last 2-3 years. He gets abused game in and game out and doesnt get any kind of calls that other superstars get. It pisses me off that Pau Gasol gets all kinds of weak calls, yet Timmy gets beaten like a pinball and hardly any love from the refs.
I dont expect role players or rookies to get any love from the refs, but I do expect superstars. I have been conditioned to feel this way since I first started watching the NBA about 30 years ago.
Mason doesn't have an explosive first step. he is also prone to turnovers whenever he is forced to pass off the dribble.
Uh.....228's job....
Foul tactics help Bowen improve free throws
Overnight, Bruce Bowen's free throw percentage jumped 25 percentage points, and he can thank Suns coach Terry Porter for the opportunity to make such a dramatic improvement.
In the Spurs' first 44 games, Bowen had played 898 minutes, but had gone to the foul line only eight times. He had made only two of his eight foul shots.
It was that 25 percent free throw percentage that prompted Porter to employ intentional foul tactics in the final 2:41 of the third quarter of the Spurs' 114-104 victory at U.S. Airways Center Thursday night, instructing his players to grab Bowen before the Spurs could get up a shot.
Bowen made 5 of 6 free throws after the intentional fouls. By game's end he had made 6 of 8, pushing his season free throw percentage to .500, on 8-of-16 shooting.
Bowen recalled the Mavericks having employed the same tactic in the 2006 Western Conference semifinals, with similar results.
“If they gave me a chance to get to the line, I knew I'd be all right,” he said, “because I'll have a chance to figure it out and get comfortable.
“I got one (free throw) Tuesday, in Utah, but prior to that it had been a long time.
Indeed, before going to the line in the Spurs' 106-100 victory in Utah, Bowen had shot only one foul shot in the previous 29 games.
“Eight all season?” he said. “Well, there you have it, and I got eight (Thursday). It's fun to be able to get a rhythm there and understand it and not even question what's going on.”
Suns point guard Steve Nash committed a tactical mistake when he intentionally fouled Bowen, away from the ball, with 37.6 seconds left and the Spurs holding a 109-104 lead.
Forgetting that away-from-the-play fouls in the final two minutes of a game allow the offended team to choose a player to shoot one foul shot, and then retain possession, Nash grabbed Bowen. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich chose Manu Ginobili to take the free throw.
“I got one as a gift,” said Ginobili, who broke Tim Duncan's franchise record of free throw makes in a game without a miss, going 18-for-18. “But I have to say something about Bruce's free throws: They were huge. Those situations are kind of weird, because it throws you out of rhythm. But if your teammate makes five out of six, and then you make stops on the other side, you can have a good run.”
Young legs: Veteran backup center Kurt Thomas grabbed nine rebounds and served as Tim Duncan's tag-team partner defending Suns center Shaquille O'Neal on Thursday.
What most impressed his teammates were two rebounds that he snatched away from O'Neal with what appeared to be outstanding vertical leaps.
“I'm able to pull some verticality out about once a month,” Thomas said, “so maybe this was it.”
i thought his hook shot over matt barnes' outstretched arms after he won the rebound was impressive.
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Bonner FT% .750 6-8
Parker FT% .803 127-158
FAIL
I know Parker is a better FT shooter now, but he misses clutch FTs still.
You are comparing a small sample size with large sample size. Why is this even an argument? Fail.
This only shows Bonner cannot get to the line enough.
I didn't compare the two, biggems did. I just shed some daylight on it. You...
FAIL
I was talking about your criticism of this one game, not making a general statement about you. I think it's poor form to complain about some calls that didn't go your way when your team won the game handily.
You can complain about Duncan not getting calls against Shaq, but I can complain about Shaq being constantly mistreated by the refs because of his enormous size. :'''(Officiating hasn't been any worse than it's been before, but Duncan typically doesn't get calls, especially against Shaq (and you can't deny that). He actually started to get some after the technical, but the Suns were getting a lot of stupid touch fouls up to that point. The Suns crowd thinks any decision that doesn't go their way is automatically a bad call, and the refs finally stopped listening.
I did blame Porter. Check the game topic, after the game ended. I want the dude fired.And if you want to blame someone for ing up the tempo of the game, talk to whoever decided to foul Bowen. The Spurs foul Shaq primarily to disrupt the tempo, and Porter did it for them. Notice the Spurs scored like ten straight points from the time it started.
But the tempo slow-down started before Porter hacked-a-Bowen and continued afterward.
Those 3 things happen everytime the Suns play the Spurs, but there isn't always such a big FT difference.
I know he isn't exactly a slasher or goes hard to the rim, but Matt Bonner has only taken 8 FT's the whole year? That's ridiculous.
I'm sure you as a Suns fan think it's much better form to whine about officiating when your team loses. I don't look at the outcome of the game when I'm critiquing the officiating any more than I look at the box score and count the free throw differential. Either is irrelevant. Besides, I was simply responding to someone pointing to free throw attempts in one game to attempt to make the case that Spurs fans have no reason to be annoyed at the officiating when the Spurs are last in the league in free throw attempts despite having three all-star caliber players who are all very aggressive in the paint.
If we each do that I assure you only one of us is getting laughed at, and it ain't me.
The tempo was fast when the Suns were getting all the calls. If anyone's responsible for that ending, it's probably Duncan for getting the T.
I make a point of not complaining about officiating; not if it's a contribution to my team's loss, or an obstacle that had to be overcome along the way to my team's victory. It's poor sportsmanship during a win, and it's whining during a loss. I'm not sure what my being a Suns fan has anything to do with my opinion, but it doesn't surprise me that you made a generality to boost your argument.
As for the Spurs being last in the league in free throw attempts, it doesn't really surprise me. Duncan and Parker obviously should get to the line often, but Ginobili is primarily a jump-shooter this year, and almost all of your role players are jump-shooters, as well. Plus, Parker and Ginobili both missed significant time at the beginning of the year, which surely had an effect on that statistic.
Waiting on the OP comeback.
you'll be waiting for a long time coz there's no coming back from such epic ownage.
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