welcome back manu

[it's me]

don't underestimate how much phoenix had to do with those numbers, and when he went to the line, it was usually after a wild drive/layup that had no chance to go in.

I said this guy is the funniest MonuhaterTonynutssucker of the forum… he’s proving me right post after post.

[roycrikside]

also said he realizes he has been sucking
playing like this will help spurs win les

Funny, I watched the same interview and I never heard him use the word "sucking." I guess you watched a different feed than I did.

Also, I think it's hilarious that prior to the game, a "sucky" Manu was 16th in the NBA in PER at 21.65, higher than KG, Granger, Gasol, Carter, Stoudemire, Nelson, Millsap, Billups, Durant, Bynum, etc. and everyone wants him traded for basically nothing.

Tony who's having a career season was 14th, at 22.05.

After the Suns game Manu is 14th, at 22.47, Tony is 16th, 22.24. The guy is 14th in the whole league in PER and the CoT wants him traded because he's sucking. Unreal.

[Borosai]

[vander]

I said this guy is the funniest MonuhaterTonynutssucker of the forum… he’s proving me right post after post.

find some of my tonynutssucker posts

your hero is downside of his career, his stock is falling and we need to sell before we can't get anything for it

[hater]

he was playing vs. Phoenix defense for christsake.

He will be officially back when he has a game like this vs. Lakers/Celtics/Hornets/Magic

[EricB]

find some of my tonynutssucker posts

your hero is downside of his career, his stock is falling and we need to sell before we can't get anything for it

Trade one of the clutchest players in the league and the clutchest on the team.

Genius

[vander]

Funny, I watched the same interview and I never heard him use the word "sucking." I guess you watched a different feed than I did.

Also, I think it's hilarious that prior to the game, a "sucky" Manu was 16th in the NBA in PER at 21.65, higher than KG, Granger, Gasol, Carter, Stoudemire, Nelson, Millsap, Billups, Durant, Bynum, etc. and everyone wants him traded for basically nothing.

Tony who's having a career season was 14th, at 22.05.

After the Suns game Manu is 14th, at 22.47, Tony is 16th, 22.24. The guy is 14th in the whole league in PER and the CoT wants him traded because he's sucking. Unreal.

@ the sudden importance of PER
and he's not sucking he's aging, and his style of play doesn't age well, he needs all that athleticism that's been slowly slipping away

[MarHill]

he was playing vs. Phoenix defense for christsake.

He will be officially back when he has a game like this vs. Lakers/Celtics/Hornets/Magic

I don't care if it was the Minnesota Timberwolves or LA Clippers he played against...it was a good sign to see Manu attack the basket like that.

The fact it was the Phoenix Suns on a nationally televised game the Suns players admitted to the local media they wanted to win this game...makes even better.

It isn't a playoff game...but consider the fact Manu had major surgery for the first time in his career in the offseason and he didn't have training camp.....last night's play hopefully will bode well for the rest of the season.

It deserves credit for now and let see if he can continue it!

[vander]

Trade one of the clutchest players in the league and the clutchest on the team.

Genius

yep, nothing ever changes, let's go sign George Gervin, we could use a 30ppg scorer

[it's me]

yep, nothing ever changes, let's go sign George Gervin, we could use a 30ppg scorer

Post after post

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

@ the sudden importance of PER
and he's not sucking he's aging, and his style of play doesn't age well, he needs all that athleticism that's been slowly slipping away

You're the only Spurs fan who seems to be reveling in the aspect or the very idea of Manu's eventual "decline." You certainly have surpassed Ducks in bashing an important member of our team, at least he's irrationally jealous of the gushing homerism at times. You're just a schadenfraude bag.

[Spurs Brazil]

Great game for Manu. I hope this game give him the confidence he wants

[vander]

You're the only Spurs fan who seems to be reveling in the aspect or the very idea of Manu's eventual "decline." You certainly have surpassed Ducks in bashing an important member of our team, at least he's irrationally jealous of the gushing homerism at times. You're just a schadenfraude bag.

no, I like Championships and the business/management aspect of building a successful basketball team.
and one easy way to keep your team at the top is to recognize a player's decline before others do, and get value for him while you can.
The NBA is a business of winning, and getting something (picks or young assets) for Manu will translate to more wins in the future, we're not going to win a le with this team, so it's time to do a little on-the-fly rebuilding.
if we could get a legit young PF or C for Manu, we would remain championship contenders for the rest of Duncan's career. Mason/Bowen/Fin could hold down the 2/3 just fine for the rest of this year and we could pick up another 3 in the off season if need be.

or we could wait until next year, and manu's expiring contract will be in demand as teams try to make room for the much-hyped Summer of 09.
because going into the summer of 09 ready to overspend on some free agent just like everyone else is bad strategy, and I don't think that's what the Spurs plan to do. we've got to zig when the ignorant masses zag, beat the market.

[MarHill]

no, I like Championships and the business/management aspect of building a successful basketball team.
and one easy way to keep your team at the top is to recognize a player's decline before others do, and get value for him while you can.
The NBA is a business of winning, and getting something (picks or young assets) for Manu will translate to more wins in the future, we're not going to win a le with this team, so it's time to do a little on-the-fly rebuilding.
if we could get a legit young PF or C for Manu, we would remain championship contenders for the rest of Duncan's career. Mason/Bowen/Fin could hold down the 2/3 just fine for the rest of this year and we could pick up another 3 in the off season if need be.

or we could wait until next year, and manu's expiring contract will be in demand as teams try to make room for the much-hyped Summer of 09.
because going into the summer of 09 ready to overspend on some free agent just like everyone else is bad strategy, and I don't think that's what the Spurs plan to do. we've got to zig when the ignorant masses zag, beat the market.

I like the championships and the business part of the sports as well. But, you can do "paralysis of analysis" trying to predict the decline of an athlete.

In Manu's case, I believe people(like yourself) are a little premature in wanting to trade him. First of all, he's just major surgery in the offseason for the first time in his career and he didn't have training camp.

Manu has earned the right to get well this season and for the team to see if he still has it.

Also, one of the factors the fans and even the media forgets..is chemistry. Some say (like Jerry Jones and Deion Sanders) chemistry is overrated. Look what happened to the Cowboys this season. Well..it isnt especially if you have a championship level contender like the Spurs have.

Manu is the X-Factor for this team. He's the playmaker and if he plays well...they are a legit le contender. They aren't many teams that can say that.

The goal is to win as many les as you can...when you have that kind of window. I was listening to Shaq being interviewed by Stephen A. Smith and he was reminiscing about playing with Kobe. They did win 3 out of 4 les...but could have possibly won more.

You don't break up that type of chemistry...I know it was their fault. The same thing with the 90's Bulls. The organization acted prematurely to break-up Jordan and Pippen so they could start over. Look where that got them.

Lastly, Manu deserves this year to get himself right for the Spurs' organization to see if he can still be the player he has been and wanting to trade him prematurely is wrong in my opinion.

[anonoftheinternets]

he was playing vs. Phoenix defense for christsake.

He will be officially back when he has a game like this vs. Lakers/Celtics/Hornets/Magic

?????? he had 27 points against the lakers????? and raped ariza ? ... ohhh ur talking about @ lakers game where no one came to play ..... meh .....

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

no, I like Championships and the business/management aspect of building a successful basketball team.
and one easy way to keep your team at the top is to recognize a player's decline before others do, and get value for him while you can.
The NBA is a business of winning, and getting something (picks or young assets) for Manu will translate to more wins in the future, we're not going to win a le with this team, so it's time to do a little on-the-fly rebuilding.
if we could get a legit young PF or C for Manu, we would remain championship contenders for the rest of Duncan's career.

or we could wait until next year, and manu's expiring contract will be in demand as teams try to make room for the much-hyped Summer of 09.
because going into the summer of 09 ready to overspend on some free agent just like everyone else is bad strategy, and I don't think that's what the Spurs plan to do. we've got to zig when the ignorant masses zag, beat the market.

I think the trade Manu while he has value risk outweigh the rewards, if you can't see it I don't what I can do for your rationalized disapproval (and borderline fluff justification) ,of Manu as an integral part of the team that wins championships. If we trade him we run the risk of being just a really, really good talented defensive team/ post 2005 Detroit Pistons type of contender. You don't squander a guy who wins games just because he starts to plateau a little bit. I'd understand if this was April, the playoffs, etc and he's just not being effective as he once was at helping our team get wins.
But you're talking as if he has no signs of being effective at all when jumpshooting is the main weakness of his right now and is an easily correctable and mental aspect of his game.

Mason/Bowen/Fin could hold down the 2/3 just fine for the rest of this year and we could pick up another 3 in the off season if need be.

Mason/Fin/Bowen replacing Manu's production at the 2? Mason is great and will probably show stuff with more minutes, but he hasn't shown to have the equivalent intangibles. It's more than just PPG/minutes or shot distribution for them to replace.
George Hill is someone I can see shouldering the backcourt rebounding load but he still is too green too.

[EJK5032]

if you watched his post game interview, Manu even said that he realizes he's been spending too much time on the perimeter, and he knows he needs to get in the paint more. everyone on this forum needs to get off his back. Pop made a good decision not calling any plays for Manu, if indeed that was the case like the commentators kept saying.......but I like the idea, without any plays called for him, it forces Manu to use his creativity and play more naturally, because he's such a compe or there is no way he's just going to be idle just because there's no plays called for him.

[urunobili]

if you watched his post game interview, Manu even said that he realizes he's been spending too much time on the perimeter, and he knows he needs to get in the paint more. everyone on this forum needs to get off his back. Pop made a good decision not calling any plays for Manu, if indeed that was the case like the commentators kept saying.......but I like the idea, without any plays called for him, it forces Manu to use his creativity and play more naturally, because he's such a compe or there is no way he's just going to be idle just because there's no plays called for him.

great post right there

[tmtcsc]

That's legal too you know. To get free throws you have to earn them first by attacking the rim. I'd rather have him atempting free throws than step back three's, is all about %.

Unless of course, the other team is in the penalty for about half the quarter and you go to the line without attempting a shot.

[HarlemHeat37]

Manu's PER is always inflated though, since it's a "per minute" stat, and also because he comes off the bench..I agree with your point though..

[Slippy]

I guess some people expect perfection from Manu. Yikes!!

I believe last night's game was an excellent step in the right direction from him!!

Too true.. Manu should of hit all his threes and gone for 42 points.

Atleast Vander is staying true to his ideals unlike the quack quack.

[DAF86]

Unless of course, the other team is in the penalty for about half the quarter and you go to the line without attempting a shot.

18 FT's, at some point he must have attacked the basket. Besides there's a reason he took those ft's, you can't count on nobody else on this team to make those shots.

[TMTTRIO]

One thing I have been thinking about is maybe it's time to start Manu. Now that we have Mason and Hill they could play well from the bench. I just remember reading an article last season when he was playing through it he said it was easier to start because he had more time to let his game come to him and that he didn't have to rush it. Maybe it would be good for him to start with Tim and Tony that way he doesn't feel pressured to do something right away like he does when he comes off the bench which has been the case since he's got back.

[Ice009]

One thing I have been thinking about is maybe it's time to start Manu. Now that we have Mason and Hill they could play well from the bench. I just remember reading an article last season when he was playing through it he said it was easier to start because he had more time to let his game come to him and that he didn't have to rush it. Maybe it would be good for him to start with Tim and Tony that way he doesn't feel pressured to do something right away like he does when he comes off the bench which has been the case since he's got back.

I've been saying this almost all week. Start Bruce and Manu.

[Agloco]

manu needs to play like tonight
he is attacking again finally
way to go

Everyone's lining up to suck his already? I'll wait until he puts up 30 against Boston or Cleveland......