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I'd take Kareem before anyone.
The Center
The Point Guard
So would you draft any of those bigs before Jordan or Magic?
I'd take Kareem before anyone.
Wow. I would not take anyone over MJ.
da big man
Well, DPG, the poll results speak for themselves.
LOL, please tell me you are joking. Lets take a poll that ask which is the team of the decade: Spurs or Lakers and let those results speak for themselves.
On a Spurs board? C'mon, brah. I guarantee even that would be a closer poll than this one.
Exactly, these results aren't actually telling. Same way you would discredit the other poll results I suggested. How can the same people be completely right on this one and wrong on another?
being a spurs fan can you justify voting for a pg.
howard chokes. he dissapears 4th quarter.
Another argument I would make is that what point guards do is statistically harder than what big men do. Example, look at the categories from a typical box score. You have:
FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK and TO.
Then lets split them into typical big men vs. guards categories while canceling out the ones that apply to both.
FG% and FT% cancel out because usually bigs have better FG% and guards have better FT% (even though for the most part guards have a more respectable FG% than most bigs have FT%). Points are applicable to both types of players, so they are out.
So that leaves us with 3PTM, REB, AST, STL, BLK, and TO. These (excluding TO) are the most statistically difficult stats to obtain (meaning more people in the league score 10 pts than average 1 block...).
Of these, guards typically dominate 3PTM, AST and STL's while bigs dominate REB and BLK's. Naturally, guards have more turn overs because they handle the ball, but often many big men turn the ball over at a higher rate (ast/to ratio).
Also, you have to look at which categories are more easily attainable by crossing over. For example, a guard is much more likely to grab a rebound than a big is to hit a 3 pointer. Clearly, guards dominate the most statistically difficult categories in the game, which in turn you could hypothesize that they are more rare (even though people often argue that bigs are much more rare).
Just another thing to factor.
Yao is Chinese.
And I think the bigs are more consistent than guards, so I'll go with the guards.
Weren't most NBA dynasties started with good Centers in the middle anyway?
If you notice my list ONLY included Centers.
Neither Barkley nor Malone was a center.
As for the debate on MJ. Like I said prior MJ was the only one to cement his teams status as dynasty without having a true good center although one could even argue you that since they did not win till Will Perdue showed up and they were able to slide Horace Grant over to PF and split minutes between aging Bill Cartwright and Perdue.
i agree. he isn't a great center. he is still raw and still lacks a lot of things on the offensive end. and despite of that, he is pretty much a guaranteed 25-15 with a couple of blocks a night. and he gives you something no guard could ever give - intimidating interior defense. as great as chris fall, erhm... paul is, i'd still pick howard.
really? all the while i thought he was italian.Yao is Chinese.
And I think the bigs are more consistent than guards, so I'll go with the guards.
Weren't most NBA dynasties started with good Centers in the middle anyway?
They are bigs just like Duncan who people have included in the argument. Do not get caught up in the "position". Get caught up in how they played and their size.
Because of how he emphasizes his face when he gets contact or a foul right?really? all the while i thought he was italian.
What I mean by him being Chinese is that he brings so many All Star votes to other players in his team.
i totally disagree.
top 3 guards in today's nba: paul, parker, williams. they are all comparable to any top guards in the history of the league. and then there are others who can make a case too like nash.
top 3 centers in today's nba: yao, howard, bynum. they're not great if you compare them to the all time great centers. hakeem, kareem, shaq, wilt. even ewing could make a case for being better than those 3. and can you imagine oden trying to keep up with robinson? he'd get eaten alive.
i will take wilt before anyone else. followed by shaq then hakeem. magic comes fourth.
Please read the post. If you are looking at statistical odds, the guard categories are STATISTICALLY MORE RARE.
So you would take the best player in the game 5th? Nice to know.
you're looking at the rings, dawg. you're looking at how their careers ended. you should look at how their careers are projected. you'll find out how differently the view looks from that perspective. remember that you're building a whole new team.
No I am not looking at rings. Jordan does not have the most rings. I am looking at who is widely considered the best player ever.
so you're saying houston made a blunder when they drafted hakeem instead of jordan even though they had no idea that jordan will be widely regarded as the greatest of all time some years later?
Yes.
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