i really wish spurs fans would stop mentioning Manu being hurt..NEWSFLASH HE WAS NO MORE HURT THAN KOBE WAS
both were struggling but both played so you can't use that as an excuse. lakers are a better team than last year even without bynum. Having a healthly Ariza is huge...also having Gasol for a full year will make it even better for L.A.
time will tell i guess but without a trade being made the spurs will not beat the lakers in a 7 game series wether Bynum is there or not.
well Kobe had a pretty good supporting cast in 2004, didn't he? you do remember, when he absolutely killed his own team with his horrible shot selection and 38% shooting, right? while Shaq was still playing great and being single covered..
Kobe always plays below his regular season play in the finals..he's never had a good finals series, which isn't something you should say about a top 15-20 player of all-time..
if Bynum isn't back, I guarantee we beat the Lakers in 5 or 6 at most..
you're probably some fat guy whose never played ball on a ed up ankle if you believe that.
Spurs best in the West. no question about it. anything else is pure Laker delusion
If Bynum comes back. and that's a huge IF. Maybe Lakers might compete. But for now Spurs > Lakers
I played at a very high level and you could tell Manu was out but no where near as bad as people on here were stating..just a sorry ass excuse to the asskicking by the lakers wasn't so bad.
Kobe struggled big time due to his injury and you could see it effected him..the difference is..kobe is a great player who can play through pain while Manu is a very good role player...thats the main difference.
We'll destroy them even with Bi-num
you are really overrating the Spurs, even without bynum the lakers wouldn't lose more than 1 game against the spurs. The Spurs frontcourt is garbage, unless a trade is made nothing will change the series of lakers in 5.
DrHouse,
You posted earlier that Lakers have beaten the Spurs 4-1 in this decade. I mentioned in response that the Lakers dominated the early part of the decade and the Spurs dominated the middle part of the decade. Now, this last part of the decade is up for grabs.
You somehow forgot....that 2005-2007 the Spurs and Lakers didn't play each other during the playoffs and if they would have played...the Spurs were clearly the better team.
Hmm...interesting fact.
As I said all along, I have a healthy respect for the Lakers and what they have accomplished. But to continue to post it's a forgone conclusion they will win the West is premature at best and arrogant at worst.
Also, I will not go on about last year playoffs....that's done. But you continue to make this argument about Bynum and Ariza not being there. Bynum was already out for that WCF and Manu was playing on the bad ankle he suffered from the Phoenix series. There's a huge difference...when a player is already out and wasn't going to play than a player who played in the prior series and didn't have it for the WCF.
I have given the Lakers' credit for winning the series fair and square. They did. Also, while Ariza is a nice player he hasn't become a Bruce Bowen yet on defense and a healthy Manu would still be able to do the things on the court he would always have done.
Yes, the Lakers' frontline is nice. However, you keep forgetting that TD had a good series and Gasol can't stop him. Bynum would make a difference with his size....but if he's isnt there TD will still dominated Gasol.
Also, Lamar Odom had two great regular season games probably the best in his Lakers' career. But he's an engima. Until I see real consistent play for him...I'm not jumping on his bandwagon. He is very talented but he can have games of 8 pts and 3 rebs just as easily as he had games against Boston and Cleveland last week.
Lastly, it's funny how you write that the talent gap between the Spurs and Lakers is so huge. Wow!! This same core of Spurs have won three out of the last six championships. This isn't Dallas or Phoenix trying to win their first championship. And to somehow dismiss them like they don't have a legit chance to win the west is just ridiculous.
I have written all along the Lakers are the favorite this season to come out of the west...but to continue to try to put the Spurs in the rear view mirror is just plain foolish.
Also, the Spurs' offense has evolved with the additions of Mason and Hill and Bonner's long range shooting. You bet....those factors are something Phil Jackson and the Lakers will have to game plan for if they met in the WCF this season.
The Lakers are not in my head and I respect their team like I respect the Celtics and any other elite team. But, the Spurs will be right there in the end and not to acknowledge that is not being objective and flat out wrong.
You are really underrating the Spurs' experience and championship savvy. And to give the series to the Lakers in Feb is premature at best and arrogant at worst.
I just want both teams to be healthy and they meet each other in WCF...then we can see what happens.
having read through this thread, I'm only marginally surprised that I haven't seen our resident Laker fans argue that this year's Lakers' team would destroy any other team in the history of basketball. It's as if such an awesome assemblage of talent has never before been seen in the history of the game. Even All-Star teams . . . , even the 1992 Dream Team . . . haven't had enough talent to deal with these Lakers.
I exaggerate, but the smugness is striking.
I frankly think Simmons is wrong and I remain convinced that the Lakers are clearly the favorites to win the West. But I'm tired of the smugness of Laker fan.
Bynum clearly had a huge impact in both games, especially the 2nd game..I can't really see how anybody believes the Lakers would beat this much improved Spurs team(talent-wise) without Bynum..
Wait, is this a Spurs forum, and are you a Lakers fan? Is this a thread that has nothing to do with the Lakers?
I think we all know who keeps San Antonio in their heads...
Just make it short, admit you're scared, and let's move on.
As I said in another thread about this same subject and that you obviously completely avoided, when the game is close or on the line, Kobe takes the shots. Not Gasol, or Bynum. If that frontcourt you speak so highly of has so many easy shots, you would think a smart coach like Phil would go for the easy shot, not the tough one. Yet Kobe takes it.
You have a decent frontcourt, that's all. We have the best PF to ever play the game, and a couple of serviceable parts around him. We would need one more mobile big to deal with players like Nowitzki and West, and to take turns guarding Shaq so TD doesn't wear out. That's about it. The Lakers frontcourt doesn't enter in that picture at all. Gasol has been Duncan's forever, and it's not changing anytime soon. And Bynum has not played against the playoff version of TD.
You or your team don't scare anybody here, and until you win it all with this Lakers team you're not getting any respect either. If you wanna gloat on your regular season accomplishments, you can always go to Lakergrounds or such forums.
don't listen to Laker fans..they are by far the most insecure fans in sports..
most of the people in this thread have admitted the Lakers would beat us in a series right now, yet they're still getting defensive as , as usual..they go as far as defending the rape of a woman..they're ridiculous..
Good grief.
You're an admitted troll. You're so arrogant and so immature enough to think your comments warrant substantive replies and concessions from Spurs fans as a condition? Like some insecure adolescent looking for friends?
No one has ever said you could not post here, that's your own psychosis at work. The form is SpursTalk, not "Lonely Laker Trolls' in Need of Love and Affirmation Talk". You come here talking and how Spurs fans must concede to you POV, just how ing old are you?
As to wearing anything on my sleeve look back on this thread at the 24 point Laker troll reply to comments because they were shown to be fools, they think shouting in 24 pt characters amounts to legitimacy?
Please spare me your ridiculous condescension and boiler plate common "Spurs need a big man" argument. Dis you come up with that all by yourself? That's been a concern since DROB left in 2003 yet the FO has acquired a Rasho, a Nazr Mohammed and they evolved them into a championship component of this team. Perhaps you missed this when the Lakers and the "GOAT Kobe" missed the playoffs or when Phoenix handed you your walking papers in the first round TWICE. It happens to band wagon fans.
The Spurs are on track as per usual to (minus any possible Pop and RC quiet machinations they are known for) to develop Bonner and Oberto and Thomas as the help they need for Tim. They've proven they can do it and have a track record to show for it where as you Laker trolls haven't seen a championship in nearly seven years despite two humiliating tries in the Finals since 2002. The simple fact remains Kobe hasn't done it and you hysterical POV that this year is the year and that you mean it this time, well I'm not impressed. We all saw how smug, righteous and arrogant when Payton and Malone signed up.
Post away, say stupid things, pontificate on the greatness of Lakerdom but at least have the common decency to line your sandbox with newspaper because your trolldom pretty much stinks.. BTW getting called out on another team's fan site is normal, being a Laker troll or a current front runner grants you no special privileges.
God, your easy.....
Dyan Cannon is easy. You're predictable. After all. I'm not on Club Laker and Lakerground trolling.
Fear and insecurity aren't my motivation for posting. What's your excuse?
Because THIS >is what I like to do when I get the chance.
You know West, your a piece of work but I like you. Don't know why but I do.
Your funny. It's a shame you take things so seriously. Lighten up and loosen that neck-tie.
Sometimes doing this >helps.
Relax. Have a martini. Listen to some Sinatra and you'll see that living for your Spurs is not everything unless of course you want to do all that I suggested PLUS catch a Laker game.
Silly guy.
A lot of Spurs Kool Aid being drank lately. they're still the 5th best team in basketball.
Also, they're like 5 shots away from being 30-20.
Lakers on the other hand are an INDY fluke shot and Mason fluke shot away from being 44-7.
I will wait until the Spurs win the championship this year to claim them as the best team.
There are a lot of good teams this year, and I think a Lakers/Spurs playoff could easily go 7 games. Should be fun to watch.
I think the thing that's getting noticed -- more than the record -- is the clearly improved play of late. Yeah, 5 shots from being 30-20 perhaps, but this team is 20-5 since 1/1 (including the punted loss in Denver -- a game that I think they might have lost anyway), going 9-3 on the road during that span. Despite their slow start, the Spurs are better on the road than everyone in the association not named Lakers, Magic, and Celtics.
I think you're right that the fawning over the Spurs is a bit premature, but I think there are indications that the Spurs might actually be better than their record would suggest, too.
Ill buy that, Ill buy that. A few weeks ago 2-9 in the West still seemed up in flux. Spurs have gained separation, now it looks like 3-9.
I am nervous about the PO every year but I guarantee it will be Spurs and Lakers in the WCF if no more players get injured.
I still view the Spurs as a level or so below L.A. but they have a decent puncher's chance.
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