Happy Birthday Charles: Fossils Reveal Truth About Darwin's Theory

[DarkReign]

Cells are isolated systems.

Try again.

Ummmm, no theyre not.

EDITED: whoops, BB already said it.

[z0sa]

A cell on earth is not an isolated system.



You don't understand evolution at all. You don't understand the second law at all. You grossly misrepresent both. You're the religious equivalent of a truther.

An isolated system is one which does not interact with its surroundings. Cells have a membrane around them with acts as a buffer between the cell's insides and the outside. DNA specifically codes what is allowed in and out. It is very realistic to believe entropy was not helpful in the laying out of those specific genetic sequences, which chemists apparently have nothing to say about.

[baseline bum]

An isolated system is one which does not interact with its surroundings. Cells have a membrane around them with acts as a buffer between the cell's insides and the outside. DNA specifically codes what is allowed in and out. It is very realistic to believe entropy was not helpful in the laying out of those specific genetic sequences, which chemists apparently have nothing to say about.

Do you even know what entropy means? It's wasted energy because there's no such thing as a perfect engine. Of course it's not helpful. LMAO that you think a cell doesn't need to get energy from somewhere. Yeah, isolated; I guess every cell has its own god in it to create energy out of nothing.

[Brian Adams]

You make a point or two and RandomGuy comes back with a arsenal of responses not seen since the SS attack on Poland, I am very impressed.

[z0sa]

Do you even know what entropy means? It's wasted energy because there's no such thing as a perfect engine. Of course it's not helpful. LMAO that you think a cell doesn't need to get energy from somewhere. Yeah, isolated; I guess every cell has its own god in it to create energy out of nothing.

If the original cell could have reasonably formed some way without total isolation, it would be different. In reality, mixing with the primordial soup and tar created from the mixtures in the atmosphere would have all but stopped any meaningful combination.

These facts require the original cell ingredients at least temporary isolation (allowing for entropy) from the rest of the primordial soup in order for abiogenesis to occur. The only way I can figure evolutionally is if the cell membrane was a naturally occurring element and the right mixture for life, however impossible, somehow formed within. Of course, like said this is impossible as only living things produce the DNA or RNA needed to govern what comes in and out. Go figure an evolutionist would shoot his creation story down though.

Long story short, the original cell could have only been formed through an isolated system. Only isolation from the other things in the primordial soup could have reasonably produced the needed combination to form life.

[tlongII]

Cells have semipermeable membranes. That means they are not isolated systems.

[RandomGuy]

Cells are isolated systems.

Try again.

No. They aren't.

They constantly exchange energy with their environment.

The earth isn't an isolated system, as it is constantly receiving energy from the sun in the form of light.

Please stop lying about this stuff.

[RandomGuy]

I have never visited one creationist website in my life without a specific thing in mind. I don't believe in science to save your soul, I want the facts, and those websites only tell one side of the story just as evolution does.

In other words, I only compare two sides of an argument together, and decide on my own which is more sound.

Bull .

Lie to yourself, but don't lie to me, because I am smart enough to know it isn't raining when you are pissing on my shoes, no matter how much you say otherwise.

You not only don't compare two sides of an argument together, you don't even ing know what one of those sides is, that is bloody obvious to everybody but yourself.

If you tell yourself that you have really compared the two sides of this, you have LIED TO YOURSELF.

This is what you have done so far in your life:

Spent a few hours here and there reading up on creationist websites, and you have wrongly assumed that they are both correct, and not lying to you. You delude yourself this way, because it soothes your ego to think you are somehow some sort of "rebel". Everything you read there is something that you already agree with, and you only read things you agree with.

This is lazy and it is called "confirmation bias".

You have NEVER EVER, gone to any evolutionist website for longer than a few minutes once or twice. You have NEVER EVER checked and see for yourself if what the creationists say stands up to the most basic of fact checking. You have NEVER EVER actually educated yourself on what the theory of evolution actually *IS* or says.


That isn't being open-minded, honest or truly considering both sides of the issue.

It is fully your perogative to lie to yourself all you want, but don't ever lie to me and say that you have fully considered both sides of this issue, because I know better.

[RandomGuy]

Cells have semipermeable membranes. That means they are not isolated systems.

The only real isolated system here is the bubble of pseudo-science that seems to be surrounding a certain young lads brain...

THAT is truly in impermeable barrier.

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy = another intellectual who loves to prove people wrong and make them feel stupid.

Maybe I am.

But that doesn't make me a liar, nor does it make what I say wrong.

You, on the other hand, have lied rather obviously to me on a couple of occasions, and have proven yourself to be closed minded and biased, despite what you think about yourself.

Perhaps someday you will move beyong your intellectual comfort zone and truly challenge your own assumptions, learn something about science that isn't spoon-fed to you by people with every motivation to lie about real science.

I can only hope. Good luck.

[Blue Jew]

I have to hand it to this z0sa guy he comes on strong and does not give up he puts on a good fight. But at the end of the day this Randomguy fella has scoreboard on him.

[RandomGuy]

I have to hand it to this z0sa guy he comes on strong and does not give up he puts on a good fight. But at the end of the day this Randomguy fella has scoreboard on him.

Oi vey!

[Sec24Row7]

ROFL...

How are we faking stratigraphy again?

Law of Original Horizontality isn't real?

I'm VERY interested z0sa.

VERY interested.

[RandomGuy]

ROFL...

How are we faking stratigraphy again?

Law of Original Horizontality isn't real?

I'm VERY interested z0sa.

VERY interested.

But, but, but, I read it on a creationist website.

They would have no motivation to lie to me would they?

[DMX7]

Only the lies. Like how WTC7 fell at free fall speed and no plane hit it. How Rice , Bush and Rumsfeld claim they had no idea a plane could be used to attack the WTC when in fact years earlier they conducted an exercize with that same WTC attacks?

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline


You see what separates me form yourself i can admit when something doesn't sound right. You can't since your so in deep with your beliefs your ego would not allow you to admit when you may have doubts.

You rather burn in than admit thier is a God and you rather put your head in the sand than to ask question about 9/11.

Your weak.

You're weak. How about learning some grammar too, buddy?

[Alex Jones]

You're weak. How about learning some grammar too, buddy?

1996 called they want their grammar smack back.

[marini martini]

Oh how did I miss this???

Happy belated Birthday Charles, hope you had a good one!

[z0sa]

ROFL...

How are we faking stratigraphy again?

Law of Original Horizontality isn't real?

I'm VERY interested z0sa.

VERY interested.

"As one of Steno's Laws, the Principle of Original Horizontality served well in the nascent days of geological science. However, it is now known that not all sedimentary layers are deposited purely horizontally."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princip..._horizontality

[z0sa]

But, but, but, I read it on a creationist website.

They would have no motivation to lie to me would they?

I have read many, many more times pro-evolutionist material than creationist and NEVER go to creationist websites. Evolution can and has been disproven by science, I don't need creationists to back me up all I need is science. This is where you and I fundamentally differ. I am confident with the information I have attained, evolution is philosophical at best. You meanwhile, look to it as fact when its clearly not so. YOU are the one not testing your faith.

[tlongII]

I have read many, many more times pro-evolutionist material than creationist and NEVER go to creationist websites. Evolution can and has been disproven by science, I don't need creationists to back me up all I need is science. This is where you and I fundamentally differ. I am confident with the information I have attained, evolution is philosophical at best. You meanwhile, look to it as fact when its clearly not so. YOU are the one not testing your faith.

That's just a bunch of horse . The evidence is overwhelming that evolution is indeed a fact.

[Blake]

I have read many, many more times pro-evolutionist material than creationist and NEVER go to creationist websites. Evolution can and has been disproven by science, I don't need creationists to back me up all I need is science. This is where you and I fundamentally differ. I am confident with the information I have attained, evolution is philosophical at best. You meanwhile, look to it as fact when its clearly not so. YOU are the one not testing your faith.

Evolution has not been disproven by science.

[z0sa]

Evolution has not been disproven by science.

I wonder how many really believe that as opposed to just being godhaters. I wonder how many pro-ID discoveries have been silenced or simply overlooked/forgotten because they did not go along with evolutionary doctrine. How many "transitional fossils" classified and dated by the Geological Column or indirect methods pertinent to it.

[tlongII]

I wonder how many really believe that as opposed to just being godhaters. I wonder how many pro-ID discoveries have been silenced or simply overlooked/forgotten because they did not go along with evolutionary doctrine. How many "transitional fossils" classified and dated by the Geological Column or indirect methods pertinent to it.

Dude, I got news for you. Every fossil you find is a transitional fossil. Evolution never stops.

[tlongII]

And WHY do you say that if you believe in evolution you're a God hater?

[Blake]

I wonder how many really believe that as opposed to just being godhaters. I wonder how many pro-ID discoveries have been silenced or simply overlooked/forgotten because they did not go along with evolutionary doctrine. How many "transitional fossils" classified and dated by the Geological Column or indirect methods pertinent to it.

I'm not a "god hater". Frankly, I believe in God.

If evolution has been absolutely disproven by science as you say, then what difference does a "pro-ID" discovery make?