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I find it hilarious on how everyone thinks of Pops as the next savior.
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I find it hilarious on how everyone thinks of Pops as the next savior.
Me too!
Pops Kunta-Kinte is another D-Leaguer who can wow with his athleticism, but will find it tough to stick at the next level.
Drew Gooden, if he's done anything right, has shown that he can rebound in this league.
Frankly neither one is all that, but given the two it's obvious you take Gooden.
I still do not understand why Spurs fans overrate these rookie free agents and waiver wire pickups and turn them into budding superstars on the cusp of greatness. This happens every f-ing season. These guys are available to the Spurs because they are flawed. Sure, you may find the one who finally gets it at age 25 or whatever but for every one of those there are 20 who won't make the big show. Stop wasting this forum's space with your masturbatory fantasies about Kunta-Kinte, mofos.
lol Amen..people getting riled up over James White to Pops is just hilarious.
Call me crazy but I think Gooden ( if he chooses us) would be probably our most talented big man we've had next to Tim since Robinson left in 03.
I'm curious to see how he would fit in with us.
this could be just what we need. i hope it pulls through.
How many times have we said that though? I am willing to give him a chance, because we're getting him for dirt cheap and the Spurs are bargain hunters. As much as I'd like to see what upside Pops could have, I'd have to go with Gooden right now because cutting Hariston would be downright stupid.
We could always just have CIA Pop make Udoka have an "accident."
jesus, what a nonsense.
I support every claim that Gooden is a bad defender, because he is. but to claim that Pops is a better defender? wake up. all Pops did have to do is defending the other teams 3rd stringer PF for 5 minutes. and he didn't do this very well. at least Gooden usually struggled against the other teams starter PF.
"knows Spurs playbook". yeah right. how long has he been with the Spurs ? 1 week? great. this should be possible to catch up for Gooden.
(please don't argue that he has been with the Toros for 2 weeks)
Gooden played for Mike Brown for 3 seasons. you can assume that he has more knowledge about the Spurs playbook than Pops would after a full season. young? Pops is what? 25? Gooden is 27. an old man.
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While I hate the thought of seeing Gooden's stupid ing facial hair every game, he's 30x better than Pops. People need to stop blowing their loads over d-league players. Pops may turn into something eventually, but there's a reason he was in the d-league. This team needs veteran help now, something Pops won't give us.
Gooden may suck on defense, but if he can rebound and hit a jumpshot he'd be a huge positive, especially considering how much he'd be making.
I don't understand how some fans want to nitpick on Gooden. The dude is better than anything we have now outside of duncan. And we'd be signing him for the minimum.
If your going to nitpick on Gooden. Nitpick on bowens offense, mason's penetrating, finleys defense, Kurt's footspeed, Bonner and Oberto defending the paint. I could go on and on.
I can't believe the tepid response to Gooden possibly joining the Spurs.
So he's not a rah-rah guy. Neither was Nazr and he helped 'em get a le. Same with Rasho. Even Kurt Thomas.
So he's not bright. Neither was Nazr, etc. Gooden anchored a good Kansas team under Roy Williams and played in the NBA Finals. We're not talking Kwame Brown dumb.
As to defense, a large part of defense is rebounding -- that ends the other team's possession. And Gooden can do that against the big boys. The Spurs haven't had that beside Duncan for years.
Gooden looks like a nice candidate to take off under the Spurs' system. Pop is never thrilled with the 2d big's ability to play "assignment basketball" (and that goes for DRob, too, BTW) but when he gets talent at that position he wins.
Gooden and Thomas would be a better C/PF rotation than Bonner/Oberto provide, IMO. They're better defensively (Thomas) and offensively (Gooden) and provide rebounding more consistently. They would allow Bonner to play more of a spot-up shooting role, a la Horry, which allows us to create mismatches.
My question is, can Gooden play? I thought he was injured.
I tried to explain that point as well. And fans with blinders just seemed to not understand that. Finally someone who sees what I see.As to defense, a large part of defense is rebounding -- that ends the other team's possession. And Gooden can do that against the big boys. The Spurs haven't had that beside Duncan for years.
I can't believe the tepid response to Gooden possibly joining the Spurs.
So he's not a rah-rah guy. Neither was Nazr and he helped 'em get a le. Same with Rasho. Even Kurt Thomas.
So he's not bright. Neither was Nazr, etc. Gooden anchored a good Kansas team under Roy Williams and played in the NBA Finals. We're not talking Kwame Brown dumb.
As to defense, a large part of defense is rebounding -- that ends the other team's possession. And Gooden can do that against the big boys. The Spurs haven't had that beside Duncan for years.
Gooden looks like a nice candidate to take off under the Spurs' system. Pop is never thrilled with the 2d big's ability to play "assignment basketball" (and that goes for DRob, too, BTW) but when he gets talent at that position he wins.
I am somewhat optimistic, but I also recall Nazr having trouble figuring out the defensive rotations.
Gooden would be an improvement on the glass, which will help the defense as it should limit opponents' 2nd chance opportunities moreso.
To the extent he can hit that jumper, that will help. Most of his points come off broken plays and what not, so it's not like the Spurs would be adding someone who needs the rock often to be productive offensively.
If you can't improve the interior D, then improving your rebounding is probably the best subs ute (though inferior, IMO). But it's still an improvement.
I'm all for signing Gooden. It's high upside, low downside case.
High upside because Gooden is a talented player who could make Spurs significantly better.
Low downside because Spurs won't trade someone to get him, he will have a low salary and Spurs chances to win it all are remote (Spurs are one step behind Lakers, Cavs and Celtics).
I agree Bruno...The spurs are definatly missing a piece (or 2) to winning a championship this year. Lets sign him up (if he is healthy enough to play) and see what he can do next to an all-star.
More or less, but I'm not sure the Spurs are that far off the pace.
Wake up guys-I don't know how we can be complaining about picking up Gooden. He's all we have right now. It's clear we're missing a fundamental piece to the team. We indeed are a step behind LA and the Celtics. So, he's not perfect but we need a veteran who can come in and rebound. Yes, I'd prefer Tyson Chandler amongst others over Gooden. But this is what we have to work with. I say we sign him for cheap and hold on to our seats because it's going to be a rough ride...
I like Pops a lot, but it's reaching absurd levels.
The overrating of Pops is pretty comical. He's basically the same player who couldn't stick with the Mavs a few years ago. Decent prospect but he's like the Darius Washington version of a bigman. With a lot of grooming, he might one day be Bo Outlaw.
I think this is the earliest I've ever seen you on the board.
This sums it up...
bye bye Pops...
I like Pops too, as a potential development 4 for the future. That's the key - the future. He's not going to make a difference this season. The fascination with him is he is a player, who has a set of athletic skills that NO ONE on this roster possesses. He's obviously got enough there to warrant a look - a long look, even. As I've said, if he's gonna develop, I'd certainly like for it to be here. However keeping this in perspective, no one is projecting him to be the next Dennis Rodman.
Obviously, the Spurs NEED to win now. A player like Gooden, or Joe Smith for that matter, helps that objective. If there was a way to get Gooden and retain Pops, that would be preferable, but not likely. Yet if it comes down to a choice, you've gotta go with Gooden.
The Spurs were smart only give Pops a 10-day contract, with the expectation that some big may enter the market. That looks like the case now.
you guys realize he has a recent groin injury don't you?
Frankly all of the top teams in the league have been underwhelming in their own way this season. All it might take this year is for one team to get hot in late March/early April and just roll on through the postseason to the le.
The Spurs' defense sucks in terms of opponents' FG%, but they are 3rd in assists against and 3rd in assist differential. So the D is still good enough to disrupt opposing offenses and limit their possessions, but not enough as in seasons past to challenge shots.
The Spurs are 17th in rebounds made and 14th in rebounds allowed. They hold opponents to the 3rd fewest points in the league though.
But they are 24th in blocks...not full proof of a weak interior D but certainly related.
Fortunately they execute very well offensively.
This just feels like the year the Spurs could wing it and win a le.
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