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Just coming into this thread late. Considering our failed trade attempt for Camby, at this point in the season Gooden would be a great pickup for next to nothing! I don't if it's Vaughn, Pops, Ime, or even Hariston who go, because DG trumps them all, but I am thinking Pops here. I hope the FO doesn't F this up.
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Last edited by whottt; 03-02-2009 at 03:12 PM.
Not paticularly....it was like the Lakers were on pogo sticks and the Spurs had lead in their shoes. In no small part due to the fact that we traded the only big on the team that could jump, and a first round pick, for a guy that's been playing on one knee since 1997.
I'd that say that trade sucked for us...Thomas didn't help us win a le last year, and he's obviously not going to contribute much this year either. I'd rather the first round pick and a big who can actually, outrun a sloth, and can dunk and block a shot once or twice per year.
No...the timvp and MB annual grass is always greener plan was a massive failure last season. It cost us a le. Or at the very least, we failed to win one, and gave up our first round pick in the process.
We gave up a first round pick to give up a le...I'd say that defines suck.
And Thomas is better than Gooden is...
ROFL. Francisco Elson the savior.
Not to mention that you first had to go through the Suns in the postseason. Plus that conventional bigs still dot the landscape. Without Thomas who the F is going to be the Spurs' best post defender other than Timmy? Why do I want TD in a position to pick up more fouls?
Seriously, Francisco ing Elson? And you have the temerity to ridicule the opportunity to pick up one of the best rebounding 4s in the game for the prorated league minimum salary?
Kurt didn't help us because of his inability to stay with Odom defensively. That lead Kurt to only play 8 minutes a game in the Lakers series. Even thought we didn't win the le, Kurt was huge for us against the Suns. Considering the fact that the 09 draft is said to be one of the weakest and with us having a high second round pick. I don't see it really hurting us not having a very late first round pick.
And Gooden is more talented and better than Kurt Thomas. Gooden is a far more talented rebounder and scorer. Gooden has more mobility to stay infront of quicker forwards like Odom and David West.
What plan are you talking about? Link?
I can't believe you are seriously arguing that not having Francisco Elson cost the Spurs a le.
And how many times are you going to change your mind about Thomas?
Now he's back to being worse than Elson? Make up your mind and give me a link to the "plan" I endorsed.
True...but it does no good to give up a le to get through them.
PS: Francisco Elson = 1 year, 1 le.
Kurt Thomas added to the exact same team = 1 year, no le, and counting.
Only if you drop an f bomb will I aquiesce to this request.
Mengke Bateer = 1 year, 1 le.
/whottt
Francisco.
Are u aware that teams got better from the year 07 to the year 08. Are you aware of the Garnett/Allen and Gasol trade? Or how about Manu playing on one ankle?
I just think it's funny how last years savior is this years 12th man...and you guys think Gooden is going to do better?
Some of the teams got better and some of them are now worse...
Are you aware that the Spurs got worse?
What's our record since adding Thomas VS Elson?
We are on pace for the worst record of the Duncan era...this I know.
12th man = Udoka.
There's a reason why Pop and R.C are after him. Obviously they think we would be better off with Gooden but what do they know.
I'm back. Just a funny comment. I checked out one of the Laker sites and they are all in a tizzy about whether we sign Drew Gooden or not. They are actually wanting Mitch Kupchak to sign Gooden so we don't. They see Tim and Drew as a step up.
Made me hope Pops signs Drew, so we can at least have several more threads ing one way or the other about Gooden's capabilities. And, I personally think we would be a more compe ive team with Gooden than without. We can whine all damn day about him but again don't you want to have a better team given what our choices are? Get with the program.
We will increase our liklihood of winning a 5th Larry if we pick up some help like Gooden.
Spurs have better players than they did in 07. They are more talented as well. They just haven't been as blessed when it comes to health this year or even last year in the playoffs.
Yes, it's because Pop and RC are always after every player that has an inkling of talent and one good year to his credit.
Well they obviously thought they were better off with Kurt Thomas too...and they're going to feel pretty stupid about thinking that in the first round of the draft this year.Obviously they think we would be better off with Gooden but what do they know.
Oh yes, the Spurs would've gotten through a Shaq/Amare frontcourt with Frankie leaning on Shaq for 30 minutes a night.
Purely your opinion and not backed up by any stats or the W-L record.
And there is absolutely no evidence that statement is true.They are more talented as well.
They've won les being more injury prone than this year...and had a better record.They just haven't been as blessed when it comes to health this year or even last year in the playoffs.
The spurs didn't win in 07 because of Francisco elson. The spurs didn't lose in 08' because of Kurt Thomas or poor outside shooting. There's thousands of reasons that I could come up with for our loss to the Lakers. Poor defensive rebounding, Manu's ankle, Barry's non foul call, Udoka and Finley being put on Odom.
The main reasons why I think we won in 07 and not 08 is one word. HEALTH not Kurt Thomas.
Even better, let's pass on the opportunity to add a 5th big when you have a spot open and all it would cost you is the prorated league minimum. Not to mention that the player in question rebounds at one of the better clips in the league and your starting center is Matt Bonner.
I don't like the idea of Gooden starting at all. I view him as someone to give the Spurs some offense and rebounding when Tim goes to bench, and as 'no Finey @ the PF' insurance. I think this team is much better off with Bonner spreading the floor or Thomas playing post D in our starting lineup, based on the matchup. I wouldn't trust Gooden to guard NBA first units and I certainly don't want to see Tim Duncan in foul trouble trying to cover Gooden's mistakes.
for tat...Elson would have had to contend with Shaq, and Shaq would have had to chase Elson around.
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