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I missed a game-winner tonight. Duncan would have hit it.
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There's no such thing as clutch.
I missed a game-winner tonight. Duncan would have hit it.
Don't even know why I'm going to argue this with you if you honestly believe Duncan rode the coattails of Drob to any of his les. But for your information he won it in 03 while being the only all star on the team. Andat "almost"
The definition of clutch is a bit skewed when KG is featured in the clutch commercial.
of course he's clutch. he sweats gatorade, pumps fists and chest pounds. plus, he is a menace to small european guards. if that ain't clutch, i don't know what is.
is this a joke?
NBA Finals:
Duncan 4-0
Dirk 0-1
no, this is clutchand a couple of other es.
Unfortunately, "almost" only counts in horseshoes!
now i know why the rocket mascot has a funny grin on his face.no, this is clutch
Duncan and Dirk shouldn't even be anywhere near the same sentence. Much less have a thread comparing them. A better thread would be Duncan vs Shaq.
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"Almost" only got him a western conference trophy
Yeah, Dirk is so clutch his team choked away a championship in 2006. No way, I can't even answer this question as I don't think Dirk makes clutch shots WHEN IT COUNTS. Please don't talk to me about his free throws.
That said, we'll take Dirk anytime but not to make clutch shots.
There is no "almost" in the NBA. You either did it or you didn't."Almost" only got him a western conference trophy
Come on!
Wow. Duncan hit a wide-open 3.
82games.com did a spread of "clutch" numbers about a year ago and showed that Dirk is among the best in the league when it comes to "clutch" play. But people would rather remember his missteps rather than his impressive late-game play.
In a tie game, :10 left, Dirk can do more to get the win than Duncan could.
You mean during irrelevant regular season games?
And we would remember more memorable Dirk moments in the playoffs if there would be any of them besides the and1 against the Spurs in '06.
so for a regular season win its dirk, to carry a team to a championship its duncan
The 50 point game against the Suns doesn't count?
Or what about the shot that should've won the Finals in game 5 over Shaq, but is swept under the rug due to a bull foul deciding the game?
What about his 4-0 record in game 7s.
Beloved Dirk has had far greater playoff achievements than shortcomings. The GS series is an aberration, not the norm. Even in that series our Dirk did indeed display brilliance in game 5.
And I love how regular season games are "irrelevant". you do realize that if you do not win enough regular season games you don't get a trip to the big dance...
But that wasn't part of the question, was it? If you want to specify playoffs, then start another poll and do so.
Do we need to go back and pull out playoff games where Dirk came up big? I can tell you he's had more "clutch" play in his time in the playoffs than Duncan. Aside from that 3 (thanks to ty rotation from the Suns) - let's have some more of the Duncan "clutch" resume.
And to clarify things - team wins aren't defined as "clutch". We're talking about late in the 4th, game on the line, someone needs to step up and make something happen. You can point out the 4 rings all you want, but that's not part of the conversation. Some are being sidetracked and heading into "4 rings, got" territory when that's not the question being asked.
I'll happily sacrifice that, while he (Dirk) put up good overall numbers in the Miami series, his late-game play wasn't exactly stellar. But he's had plenty of "clutch" playoff performances where he put the team on his back and carried them. Not of this is slighting Duncan in any way. I just think that people like to rabidly attack Dirk's faults and are quick to ignore his accomplishments.
most of those game 7s, are series leads they they almost choked away
Are you wondering about that? You are in a Spurs-forum. Some people (not all) bash Dallas and especially Dirk just for the sake of bashing. It doesn't has to do anything with logical arguments. Btw, I do not want to discredit Duncan in any way. Recently there was a poll here naming Duncan a 1 and Dirk a 1.5 player. Based on their achieved milestones so far, I can deal with that. And I do not have a problem to name Duncan the best PF ever. But it is not fair only to attack Dirk's faults but not to mention his accomplishments during his career. Dirk is simply an amazing player.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...ootaround.html
The TrueHoop Network Shootaround
March 2, 2009 12:08 PM
Invisibility isn't necessarily a bad thing for Dirk Nowitzki. Norm Van Lier was anything but invisible in the pantheon of Chicago Bulls legends...but Josh Smith was in Atlanta's tough loss to the Cavs. Gain some visibility at The TrueHoop Network:
Dirk Nowitzki
Rob Mahoney of The Two Man Game: "Dirk only had 24 points (8-19 FG), 10 rebounds, and 5 assists. Yawn. His typical brilliance was trumped only by his usual subtlety, 'invisibly' anchoring the Mavs' attack. (On another note: why is the word invisible always used as a pejorative when it comes to basketball? There's something wonderful about blunt domination, but I can see the advantages of killing an opponent without their knowing they're being killed.) Howard continues to boggle the mind. His 16 points tells you he did fine on the offensive end, which is true. But 0 steals and 0 blocks? Just another example of the deception of the box score. The team continues to excel whenever Howard hits the floor, and his somewhat empty stat line is balanced by a +15 for the game. Well done, chaps.
As someone who has watched Dirk's entire career, I feel obligated to comment on Andrea Bargnani. Dirk was the hopeful projection when Toronto drafted Bargs with the 1st overall pick, and it's kind of silly. It's not that Bargnani isn't talented, or that he doesn't have some of Dirk's skills. Their approaches to the game are just fundamentally different. Dirk's ungodly efficiency is a product of a natural high ground, a high release, and a sweet shooting stroke. What he lacks in athleticism and mobility he makes up for in footwork and precision. Bargnani doesn't share Dirk's dominant shooting touch, as much as he loves to shoot. But he does show a willingness and an ability to drive and finish, which is something in it's own right. He's 23 and has all the time in the world, but for those still hoping to see Dirk 2.0, keep this in mind: Nowitzki is the exception, not the rule. There has never been a player that combined Dirk's size and shooting touch, and it may not be so soon before we see another."
Yes, I know, the last part doesn't deal with the topic of the thread, but I think it's worth to mention.
If this is the scenario, there's maybe 2 to 4 guys I'd rather have shooting in the league than Dirk.
Also, if we're using team wins, which isn't part of the discussion, has Duncan ever won a game 7 in overtime on the other team's court?
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