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Damn, I cant believe you used my old user name
I was BAMA, but the Spurs have earnt enough points since those rough 2001 times when this was happening, so I'm now something else. It's not HOYA but it's in between. Perhaps, ITTS (I Trust the Spurs)
I dont know how I missed this, but I'm also in this category. I was one of the most ardent BAMA residents for a long time.
Damn, I cant believe you used my old user name
Paraphrasing a PM from a Spurs Fan re. FO moves:
Allowing Stephen Jackson to walk away costed the Spurs a le. San Antonio are looking for a replacement to him till this day.
I'm fairly certain BAMA still lives in some hearts... sooner or later, it will resurge.
p.s. - I agree on the Jack subject, btw.
I'm a left-wing HOYA so doesn't that make me S oriented?
I love S.
S for me
I still would trade Manu for Brand. The spurs won't be winning it this year and I'd rather have Brand next year than Manu.
I don't have S.
The spurs fortunes are a direct result of winning the lottery to get 2 hall of fame franchise players. If they don't get either of those players there are no les in San Antonio. So success was basically lottery luck.
The spurs player moves over the last 10 years pale in comparison to lets say the Lakers who built championship teams through trades and free agency or even Boston who built a championship team in one season with a couple big name player moves.
This is a joke, right?
Not at all a joke. Spurs will not win this year. Build a winning formula for next year.
There's a lot to be said for picking the right player and developing him. So often teams take the wrong guy (eg: Sam Bowie, Ryan Leaf, maybe even Greg Oden some day if he can't stay healthy).
And even if you pick the right guy, sometimes a team just doesn't do a good job of developing him. Eg: Kwame Brown. I'm not saying he deserved the first pick, but the way he was treated and handled in DC definitely hindered his development.
And even if you pick the right guy AND develop him, you still have to surround him with good players. Look at KG. He was a great pick in Minnesota and developed into a great player, but never went the distance because other than that year he had Spree and Cassell, he never had anyone around him who could get it done. Some of that was his fault because his contract hampered the team, but the team signed that contract too and they failed for years to take advantage of their franchise guy.
So you can't chalk the Spurs' success up to mere lottery success. Lots of other teams have had the luck and never made anything out of it.
Robinson and Duncan were both no brainer lottery picks .
Its not only getting the top pick its being lucky enough to get the top pick in yrs there are franchise players there like Robinson and Duncan.
you're an idiot..
the Lakers and Celtics both had to enter the lottery and early exits to save the assets needed to build their current teams..the Lakers also benefit from location and history to attract free agents like Shaq, and other players demanding trades or demanding to be drafted there..
And finding no-brainer guys like Parker and Ginobili. And almost annually coming up with contributors in free agency.
Anyone can do those things.
So then you're for the 2010 plan to build through free agency so we can get our own Shaq signing like LA did? Or we get the most talented player in the draft to tell everyone he's only going to our team like LA did? Or make a collusion trade when we don't have a Jerry West to run to? Or the Spurs should tank and suck for 20 years to ac ulate lottery talent to finally trade for a disgruntled star like Boston?
Even if you're right, we still had to develop them properly and surround them with guys who can win.
Did you even watch him this season before the injury? He looked like Malik Rose if he got a lot of touches in the offense.
Pretty easy to sign people in free agency and through trades when everyone wants to play in your big-name city and you have no problem paying the luxury tax.
Then that is the better franchise for future success. Those are not negatives for building a winner.
Rose can't even get off the bench.
Brand was injured early on and tried to play through it before they shut him down. Brand has been injury prone but so has Manu.
Right, but the degree of difficulty for building and sustaining a winner is much harder in cities that aren't huge natural draws for free agents. So its not as amazing for a Boston or LA turnaround as it is for a team like San Antonio.
You are basically agreeing with me. The spurs will have a hard time getting top talent. They have not shown they are willing or able to improve the team with the big name trade or top free agent acquisition. I have no S.
Who was the free agent that Boston attracted? Eddie House? Scalabrine? Even Posey was a reject from other teams.
Boston built a championship by the hardest way: no lottery picks except the 5th one in a 2 players draft (plus Pierce, a #10 pick). Ainge inherited a "somewhat compe ive but not enough to even sniff a le" team with no players with trade value except Pierce, no big expirings and no draft picks ac ulated. He spent a couple of years drafting greatly and developing talent, since solid starters in the league like Bassy, Gomes, Delonte, Perkins, to fringe All-Stars like Rondo, passing by a potential All-Pro like Big Al and good bench contributors like Powe and Davis - and all those guys he drafted and developed eventually allowed him to trade for two stars while keeping Pierce and still keep some of them as part of the supporting cast.
He didn't spend millions buying picks and trading up, not a single one of those guys was a lottery pick and most of them were 2nd rounders. He traded for big contracts that he'd be able to package with the young payers he was developing. He ac ulated draft picks via trades that served him to get those stars. No luck involved, just a steady effort to ac ulate assets and put the club in good position to finally succeed.
Blow your own horn as much as you want, but there's no need to diminish how the Celtics build their team.
Exactly. I am more impressed in how boston turned their franchise into a winner in one season without lottery luck. Thats a good front office. I don't believe the spurs could win without the luck of the lottery. Their trades or lack of trades have been terrible over the last few years. I do not trust they will remain compe ive after Duncan.
bama representing here...too bad i aint a s man, but ima BOOTY man
BOOTY = BELIEVE ONLY ON TIM YO
Someone remind me why rascal claims to be a Spurs fan again?
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