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    I hear Michael is having a male pre-teen pajama celebration party tonight at the mansion.

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    "If there is nothing sexual involved, expain to me a logical reason for finding a man sleeping in a bed with children so appauling?"

    I think it is a bit weird for a grown man to be sleeping in bed with 12 year old boys just because. I don't know any grown man that sleeps with boys because its fun.........
    Yeah Manny, I don't know about this one. Why would any grown man want to sleep with an unrelated child for no apparent reason?

    Successfully defending that is very hard to do, I'd say impossible.

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    We started running our own kids out of our bedroom when they were about 10...

    I just don't see any way that what Jackson was doing was acceptable even if he didn't actually consummate a sexual relationship with these boys...

    The parents were wrong and Jackson was wrong...I just don't think anyone could make a rational case otherwise...and it was apparently a continuing pattern...Jackson would "buy" the cooperation of these lowlife s parents to allow their boys to sleep in his private bedroom with him...and the world will never run out of lowlife s parents that can be seduced...

    The District Attorney might have been incompetent but he was obligated to pursue the complaint...and it was the right thing to do...

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    We started running our own kids out of our bedroom when they were about 10...


    Exactly...my kids aren't allowed to sleep in our bed. If my husband was out of town I used to let them, but as soon as my oldest turned 11, I stopped that. When he asked why, I told him that he was to old for that now. End of story.

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    I see problems with it simply because I don't think most adults have teh capacity to seperate it from sexuality. Thats the only reason it's deemed improper, because of the sexual conotations surrounding it.

    Sleeping next to someone when seperated from sexuality shouldn't be wrong. I just want a reason why it's wrong?

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    just because isn't logical.

    The average American will go to great lengths to keep themselves from going to jail CC, and finding a way to pay for a halfway competent attorney doesn't exactly go out of the realm of possibility.

    I'm not saying the average American would be able to afford Jacksons legal team. I'm saying that the average American would have been able to afford an attorney that would have beat the ty case presented.
    The case only looked ty because Jacksons attorneys could afford to spend 7? weeks rebutting the prosecutions case. With attorneys time is money and with the good ones it's a LOT of money. Nothing "average" about that...a reasonably good criminal attorney in SA would probably cost 150K minimum to take a case like this to trial (probably 1-2 weeks) with no guarantee of results...

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    Results are NEVER guaranteed, no matter what attorney.

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    Manny, I pose this hypothetical/question to you:

    Would you let your kid sleep with another man who promised there were no sexual pretenses, just that he liked the company of kids and wanted to have a sleep over?

    Why or why not?

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    All I've seen so far is that a poorer man's defense might not have put up as good of a fight, if any. But based on what the prosecution had in this case, would that have been fair for the poor man to go to prison on the charges brought against him?

    If the argument is that a poor man would have been convicted due to low quality representation, then this case illustrates a flaw in the defense of the poor, not the rich and famous.

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    I see problems with it simply because I don't think most adults have teh capacity to seperate it from sexuality. Thats the only reason it's deemed improper, because of the sexual conotations surrounding it.

    Sleeping next to someone when seperated from sexuality shouldn't be wrong. I just want a reason why it's wrong?


    Hi Manny! I just LOVE openminded parents like you!

    When you get married and have a little Manny you are all invited to Neverland Ranch for a party! You can ride the Ferris wheel or go shopping while I sleep with your son! Don't worry....I have the capacity to seperate it from that awful sexuality thing...Honest!

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    No, because I wouldn't believe him. But not because I find sleeping next to a child wrong.

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    Hi Manny! I just LOVE openminded parents like you!

    When you get married and have a little Manny you are all invited to Neverland Ranch for a party! You can ride the Ferris wheel while I sleep with your son! Don't worry....I have the capacity to seperate it from that awful sexuality thing...Honest!

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    No, because I wouldn't believe him. But not because I find sleeping next to a child wrong.
    No, but have a child and then get back to us. Trust me, once you have kids, your way of thinking totally changes.

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    Song: Beat It Lyrics

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    They told him don't you ever come around here
    Don't wanna see your face, you better disappear
    The fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear
    So beat it, just beat it

    You better run, you better do what you can
    Don't wanna see no blood, don't be a macho man
    You wanna be tough, better do what you can
    So beat it, but you wanna be bad

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn't matter who's wrong or right
    Just beat it, beat it
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    Just beat it, beat it


    They're out to get you, better leave while you can
    Don't wanna be a boy, you wanna be a man
    You wanna stay alive, better do what you can
    So beat it, just beat it


    You have to show them that you're really not scared
    You're playin' with your life, this ain't no truth or dare
    They'll kick you, then they beat you,
    Then they'll tell you it's fair
    So beat it, but you wanna be bad

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

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    No one wants to be defeated
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    It doesn't matter who's wrong or right
    Just beat it, beat it
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    Beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn't matter who's wrong or who's right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
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    Just beat it, beat it
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    Beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn't matter who's wrong or who's right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn't matter who's wrong or right

    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it

    No one wants to be defeated
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    Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
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    I gotta start paying more attention to song lyrics!

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    No, because I wouldn't believe him. But not because I find sleeping next to a child wrong.
    What if you did believe him?

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    Can't wait 'till Halloween comes around...



    I ain't answering the door if I see this.

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    I think it shows more about society when soemone says that and they automatically think about the most negative thing
    because sleeping with children is NOT normal.


    But what the , the morals of our country are going down the ter anyways, this verdict just proves it.


    Now its ok to give kids Wine, errrr Jesus Juice....

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    Tpark thats why expected MJ to be convicted of atleast the misdemeanor.

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    I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the jurors.
    They saw and heard the evidence first hand and correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think anyone on this board did.
    Most often than not the simplest accusation can make you guilty in the eyes of others and even if found not guilty...the question remains.
    I'm not saying Michael is innocent but I also think that maybe, just maybe his love of children is sincere.
    Innocent?...Only the man upstairs knows and so does Michael.

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    the jury foreman said they think michael jackson should no longer sleep with kids.

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    Michael Jackson is guilty of breaking several laws. Unfortunately, the laws of nature don't carry any death sentences.

    And Manny, come on now, even you would not let your child sleep in the same bed with an adult male. This is especially true for one that is not even a blood relative. I know there is much to being open minded and free thinking, but you still lock the door at night.

    Michael Jackson may be totally innoccent in this case. He may have never molested any children ever. But his strange behavior and lifestyle leaves him succeptable to these types of accusations.

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    Luckily strange behavior and funky lifestyles are not against the law...at least I don't think they are.

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    Luckily strange behavior and funky lifestyles are not against the law...at least I don't think they are.
    There is such a thing as strange, and borderline stupid. What if I put a handgun replica in my wasteband and walked around with it, went into stores and businesses. Would people not think that I had a real gun? Sure it's illegal, but it doesn't mean people won't think I have a gun. If a cop stops me, is it his fault that he has su ions about me caring a gun? If you wrap your soda in a papper bag and drive down the road with it taking sips now and then, would that not look kinda shady? Illegal, no.

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    There is such a thing as strange, and borderline stupid. What if I put a handgun replica in my wasteband and walked around with it, went into stores and businesses. Would people not think that I had a real gun? Sure it's illegal, but it doesn't mean people won't think I have a gun. If a cop stops me, is it his fault that he has su ions about me caring a gun? If you wrap your soda in a papper bag and drive down the road with it taking sips now and then, would that not look kinda shady? Illegal, no.
    True...true. I used to wrap my beer with one of those plastic things that said "Caco-Calo" or "Pipse" on the side.

    His stupid and bizarre behavior has caused him his life and career...not that he was putting out the hits or anything.

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    I try to be openmided about things, but one thing kept nagging at me. MJ presents himself a some sort of child, Peter Pan, an innocent.

    There is no innocent reason to give alcohol to little children. Period. His family needs to do an intervention.

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