No Duncan...no Gooden?

[Russ]

What is the over/under on how quickly Gooden starts to complain about his role (or lack of it) on this team?

Of course, that is what Pop is trying to find out.

And he only has a few weeks to do it (before the summer and FA signings).

It's a right of passage with all Spurs not named Duncan. The shorter the time to do it, the more draconian and frustrating to the player Pop's tactics may be.

Gooden looks to be popular on the bench in a way that someone like Big Dog Robinson never was. So I would guess Pop likes him too.

He looks to be well on his way to passing the test and becoming "a Spur."

[EJK5032]

Gooden has been dealing with an injured groin and abdominal muscle all season.......he's finally starting to get healthy......there is no reason to play him or Duncan in a meaningless back to back against the TWolves, a team we should have no problem beating anyhow.

[superbigtime]

typical Pop. will give measly minutes to Gooden. THen in the playoffs when we are getting destroyed by the Lakers, he will insert him and then wonder why the he looks so lost.

So true.

[taps]

Seeing our 3 bigs play so well (Bon-bon was cold from 3 but still managed 8, 6, 1stl, 1bl) makes makes me more confident in the depth of our front court as Tim and Drew on a normal night are known quan ies in the paint. It bodes well for the versatility of our 5-headed monster at the 4 & 5.

[EricB]

So true, dorks sitting at home behind a computer think they know more than a goddamn championship winning coach.


ing Spurs fans.

[wildbill2u]

If Pop can juggle the minutes to give everyone some playing time between now and the playoffs--and still maintain the #2 spot--we will be in much better shape when the playoffs come.

We'll have some depth and some rested players like Gooden and Tim who are having physical problems.

So far so gooden for the playoffs.

[hater]

So true, dorks sitting at home behind a computer think they know more than a goddamn championship winning coach.


ing Spurs fans.

So true, Tpark thinking he's better than everyone else in this forum and throwing insults. THis is a FORUM where we are supposed to post what we think is best for the team dumbass. You can change the username but you can't change the asshole.

ing TPark.

[Chomag]

Heh, come now you know Tpark is the only one allowed to state his opinion on something here. God! get it right!


It's so easy being a tough guy behind a computer and attempt to insult everone. Heh, I would love to see him try it face to face in real life to half the posters here.

[exstatic]

So true, dorks sitting at home behind a computer think they know more than a goddamn championship winning coach.


ing Spurs fans.

At least we don't have one of these knee-jerk fools owning and running our team like Dallas does.

[MrChug]

Maybe his groin flared up?

I was just watching Angelina Jolie and my groin flared up. Maybe he was watching Mr. and Mrs. Smith or something?

[timvp]

Am I the only one who thinks the Spurs would have won their last two games if Oberto would have gotten Gooden's minutes. Not that I've given up on Gooden but Oberto helps de-stagnate the offense and his passing helps to give Duncan easier shots. Right now, Gooden learning on the fly is hurting the team.

Holding out Gooden's "education" to when Manu returns was likely the better move .... in hindsight, of course.

Well, that is unless Spurs fans think the last two losses were worth Gooden getting extra time in the system. Was it?

[benefactor]

I would go more along the lines of Oberto getting Bonner's minutes in this game. He hurt us just as badly if not worse.

[Spurs Brazil]

Am I the only one who thinks the Spurs would have won their last two games if Oberto would have gotten Gooden's minutes. Not that I've given up on Gooden but Oberto helps de-stagnate the offense and his passing helps to give Duncan easier shots. Right now, Gooden learning on the fly is hurting the team.

Holding out Gooden's "education" to when Manu returns was likely the better move .... in hindsight, of course.

Well, that is unless Spurs fans think the last two losses were worth Gooden getting extra time in the system. Was it?

Oberto did that in Wolves game. If he play some minutes in place of Bonner or Gooden I won't complain

[polandprzem]

Am I the only one who thinks the Spurs would have won their last two games if Oberto would have gotten Gooden's minutes. Not that I've given up on Gooden but Oberto helps de-stagnate the offense and his passing helps to give Duncan easier shots. Right now, Gooden learning on the fly is hurting the team.

Holding out Gooden's "education" to when Manu returns was likely the better move .... in hindsight, of course.

Well, that is unless Spurs fans think the last two losses were worth Gooden getting extra time in the system. Was it?

A suicidal (the one that kills) question

I do think that Oberto is better when paired with Tim then Bonner.
We haven't seen Gooden with Tim on the floor yet, so Pop probably won't use that frontcourt in this season.

Was it wirth losing those games helping Drew to educate the spurs system?
Well, we were able to win those games and we do not know if Oberto would guarantee those wins.

[timvp]

I would go more along the lines of Oberto getting Bonner's minutes in this game. He hurt us just as badly if not worse.

Can't agree. Gooden has been the run stopper the last two games for the Spurs. He comes in and any momentum dies.

But I guess some Spurs fans think his education is worth risking losses.

[benefactor]

Oh, and playing Gooden side by side with Bonner didn't help things either.

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree with the thought that he should get Bonner's minutes..

Bonner's looking good from inside the 3-point line, but we don't need him for that..if his 3 isn't going down, then he really doesn't help us much..I'd rather have Gooden learn ahead of having Bonner play, even if he knows the system better..

it's definitely strange that Fab isn't getting a chance after that good game that he had the other night..

[timvp]

Bonner is more helpful to the team is than Gooden is right now. Again, it's not a knock on Gooden but looking back on it, I don't think giving him some token minutes the last two games was a good risk/reward proposition.

[benefactor]

Can't agree. Gooden has been the run stopper the last two games for the Spurs. He comes in and any momentum dies.

But I guess some Spurs fans think his education is worth risking losses.

For the record, I agree with Pop not putting Gooden back in during the second half. You are kidding yourself if you think that Bonner's horrible defense of Scola was any worse than anything Gooden did in the first half.

[Spurs Brazil]

Can't agree. Gooden has been the run stopper the last two games for the Spurs. He comes in and any momentum dies.

But I guess some Spurs fans think his education is worth risking losses.

That's true.

I think he and Mason together it's just a bad combination. Mason is lost at PG and Gooden is lost because he's new to the system.

Mason good game against Wolves had Oberto getting a lot of open looks to him

[Capt Bringdown]

Am I the only one who thinks the Spurs would have won their last two games if Oberto would have gotten Gooden's minutes. Not that I've given up on Gooden but Oberto helps de-stagnate the offense and his passing helps to give Duncan easier shots. Right now, Gooden learning on the fly is hurting the team.

I guess at this point you throw everything at the wall an hope that something sticks, but there's a reason why Oberto has barely made it off the bench this season.

We have little choice to go with Gooden because Oberto is a non-factor. Especially so in the playoffs.

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree with your point in general timvp, but at some point, we're gonna need to get Gooden accustomed to the system..

Gooden as a player is more valuable to us than Bonner..we've seen flashes of what Gooden can bring to the team..the fact that we got him so late in the season obviously hurts, since we're having to test him out during big games like these..

regardless of Gooden playing..there's no way a team should miss 6 FTs in a row, or lose a 7-point lead to the offensively average Rockets late in the game..

[objective]

I don't think Gooden is a run stopper as much as Mason running the offense is. He's either a turnover or a bad play or a lost ball or a drive into a blocked shot or brick when he's in charge.

That being said, Gooden is proving my thoughts about him pre-signing. He's just not better than an old and broken down Kurt Thomas.

And winning these last two games with Oberto instead . . . inconsequential imo, because the Spurs won't win the le this year with any of these bigs next to Duncan.

[ploto]

We knew the problem would go back to being too many bigs and not enough minutes. How do you find time for all 5 guys? I think, though, that Scola was a perfect opportunity to play Oberto- just like Gasol was. And for a Spurs team that has struggled on offense, they miss a back-up big who can pass the ball like Oberto. Wouldn't Scola look good in there when Duncan sits?

[polandprzem]

IMO spurs problem right now it's not single players is the whole philosophy of how they play.

It is like they are put in a machine and they need to work perfect not to colapse. And right now they are not working perfectly.
Then we do get stagnant offense and opponents D crushes on us.
It's game over because all the players get frustrated they can't click right and they are wasting the energy on not necessery things.


btw. At this time of year Pop usualy had set his playoffs rotation. Right now we do not even know who will be backing up Tony. Gorge, manu or Roger and what roles they will do have in different lineups.

I'm getting worried