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Yep, I love her. She believes what I believe, and I am appalled by the way she was treated.Says the guy who supports Sarah Palin.
Do I currently support or endorse her for President or VP? No. I like her where she is, as a governor.
Can you provide an example of poor arguments and logical fallacies in a specific argument that Rush has used? Should I take it that Obama never uses ad hominems, straw men, red herrings, or appeals to authority himself? ... when the Pres was trying to sell us his massive porkulus bill, he was on the airwaves saying that Republicans didn't want to do anything. Which wasn't true, the GOP offered alternatives that (naturally, being the minority party) died in committee.It's easy to win over the masses with emotional appeals using poor arguing and logical fallacies.
Now, I'd definitely like to see a scored debate between Obama and Limbaugh, with people who can appreciate the things I mentioned above. THAT would be interesting.
And I'm concerned over who would score this debate. It's moot -- the Pres turned it down. But I wish the campaign had had a real debate, not these scripted charades. A debate about Cons utional philosophy, the role of govt, the nature of church-state relations, social morality, et al.
Yep, I love her. She believes what I believe, and I am appalled by the way she was treated.Says the guy who supports Sarah Palin.
Do I currently support or endorse her for President or VP? No. I like her where she is, as a governor.
fuel for the obamatrons.
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At Buckingham Palace, Felipe Calderon was presented with a first edition of George Orwell's nightmarish book, which tells of a totalitarian regime and coined the concept Big Brother.
The Royal Household seeks guidance from the staff of incoming VIPs when deciding what to offer during the official exchange of gifts.
A Palace spokeswoman said: "Apparently the president really admires George Orwell."
The 1949 book was boxed in leather by the bindery at Windsor.
Mr Calderon also received the traditional present given to guests - framed photographs of the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh.
The president's wife Margarita Zavala received a small silver box with EIIR inscribed in gold on the lid.
The Queen received a Maque tray from Michoacan, the Mexican state from which the president comes. Philip received a wooden Olinala chest.
The exchange of gifts between rulers is a long-standing custom. In 1520 Henry VIII and Francis I of France exchanged gifts at the Field of Cloth of Gold in northern France.
During a state visit, the exchange usually happens on the first day and serves as a gesture of goodwill between the two nations.
Our leaders (and ordinary citizens) should not stoop to ANY foreign leader. We look em in the eye. I'm sure it was just an honest mistake by Obama, he didn't realize this.
And what is Ted Kennedy doing accepting a knighthood? (I know, old news.) I mean, apart from whether the Crown ought to be knighting him to begin with, what is an American doing accepting ANY le of nobility?
We should have just given them the Liberty Bell or something. Jesus Christ, it's a ing trip to the UK... not some damn meeting with extraterrestrials. There is not a gift on Earth that could have been given that would have appeased a right winger.
It would either have been too expensive or too cheap. Give me a ing break.
Yesterday must have been a really slow news day.
That's not true. I just thought the iPod, loaded with his own speeches, was trite and tacky. I gave some suggestions -- perhaps a nice oil portrait of Churchill, or having a poem commissioned and read. Perhaps a tattered flag from some old battle. Those would have been nice.
I haven't had the time for this thread yet, but I do think the iPod was a bit silly.
I guess it all depends on the cir stances. I would give almost anything to know what Her Majesty actually thought about the gift.
at this being a multi-paged thread already.
So you wouldn't have voted for the McCain/Palin ticket or would vote for Palin 2012 even though she has your beliefs in politics and/or religion?
The Queen is a VERY gracious lady. She will go out of her way to cover the faux pas of others.
Like I said, if the protocol office were staffed adequately, I imagine these things wouldn't even be discussed.
Should have given her some astroglide and a rabbit. Looks like she needs it.
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/...w-1437834.htmlA generation earlier, there were smiles all around when one of President Reagan's male officials curtsied like a flower-girl before Prince Charles. Months later, at Charles and Di's wedding, Nancy Reagan was forgiven for shaking the Queen's hand instead of bowing. There was a general amnesty, too, for the supporters of Brian Cowen who last May breached Leinster House protocol (and security) to celebrate his elevation to Taoiseach with a raucous rendition of The Offaly Rover
Interesting history there.
Apparently Clinton also got in trouble for a brief nod to the Japanese emperor.
Seems like it is s slight mistake, but does offer fodder for the right to blather on about things they like to blather on about.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...0_LONDON605039Mic e Obama charms queen away from protocol
LONDON — Mic e Obama's meeting with Queen Elizabeth II began with a handshake and ended in a hug.
The first lady arrived Wednesday with President Barack Obama. After separate meetings on the eve of the G-20 summit, the couple attended an evening reception for world leaders hosted by the queen.
Mrs. Obama clearly made an impression with the 82-year-old monarch — so much that the smiling queen strayed slightly from protocol and briefly wrapped her arm around the first lady in a rare public show of affection.
It was the first time Mrs. Obama — who is nearly a foot taller — had met the queen. The first lady also wrapped her arm around the monarch's shoulder and back.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman who asked not to be identified because of palace policy said he could not remember the last time the queen had displayed such public affection with a first lady or dignitary.
"It was a mutual and spontaneous display of affection," he said. "We don't issue instructions on not touching the queen."
Interesting anecdote.
No, I did vote for McCain-Palin. And if she emerged as the nominee in 2012, then she'd have my vote. (But, no, she does not have my endorsement as of now, as if that counted for anything.)
And it's because she shares my beliefs in, once again, the Cons ution, energy policy, low taxes, and limited govt. I, and a great many conservatives, think the world of her. You may not. That's fine. I don't expect (or want) liberals to love her.
I think the US of A will manage to survive the occasional diplomatic faux-pas...When the former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating put his arm around the queen in 1992, the tabloids dubbed him the "Lizard of Oz." When his successor, John Howard, was accused of doing the same, a spokesman insisted: "We firmly deny that there was any contact whatsoever." In 2007, President George W. Bush gave the queen a sly wink during a visit she paid to the United States.
lmao this thread is too funny. We got a global economic issue and one of the longest threads here is whether Obama should have bowed or not or had given a better gift.
Sarah Palin and her supporters are a disease. She doesn't even speak in coherent language, it's just a garbled barrage of political buzzwords. Random interjections of the word "families" or "American people" or "Defend". It's so Orwellian it's just sickening.
When I look at the other decent potential Republican candidates out there; Huntsman, Romney, Huckabee, even Jindal, it just blows my mind that anybody could possibly be in support or defense of that scab on America, Sarah Palin. Her supporters are brain dead.
I'm sorry if you think I'm blathering.
That said, I also didn't like Pres Bush holding hands with the guy. I think the Bushes are way too cozy with the House of Saud. They are not democratic leaders, do not support freedom and human rights, and are unreliable allies at best in the Middle East.
I think Pres Obama should have looked him in the eye, shook his hand, and went from there.
Okay. Well, it's good to know what you think of me. Thanks!
Forgive me but I dont understand. If you don't support her candidacy now, they why would you support her down the road? She will most likely be the same person then as she is now.
Well, at the end of the day, whatever. But if as a republican, you intend to support people like Palin, buddy, it's your own party's grave.
I am seriously hoping that Palin gets the nomination in 2012. Please, please, please, please, nominate her...
---says every Democrat in the country.
The problem with that is that the left will hate her, the right will love her, and the middle will side with the left on this because she really isn't that bright.
Palin 2012 would be a slam dunk for the Democrats.
Sorry. I have some respect for you, but if you think she is electable for any national office, you are letting your own opinion of her obscure the wider view of how she is perceived by the rest of the country, and especially by the swing voters who actually decide elections.
In American politics, we have these things called primaries and caucuses. And in these primaries and caucuses supporters of various candidates debate and have polls, and the candidate who wins the most polls gets the nomination for the general election. The supporters of the losing candidates unite around the nominee and we have an election. McCain drew his voters from his supporters, as well as supporters of Guliani, Huck, Romney, and others. Obama got enough Hillary voters to win. That's how it works. Understand now?
Right now, I would support ... Jindal. But as a conservative, I will vote for the Republican regardless.
I think you are probably right about that. A polite head-of-state nod to royalty, but that should have been it.I'm sorry if you think I'm blathering.
That said, I also didn't like Pres Bush holding hands with the guy. I think the Bushes are way too cozy with the House of Saud. They are not democratic leaders, do not support freedom and human rights, and are unreliable allies at best in the Middle East.
I think Pres Obama should have looked him in the eye, shook his hand, and went from there.
Personally I don't really know what the formal protocol was, but it seems the guy at yahoo answers seemed to have it right.
As I said, it gives the right ammunition for their "he's niave and inexperienced" narrative, and as such, it will be hyped endlessly, pointlessly.
It was a mistake, I'm sure there will be others. We have more important things to worry about.
Even if that republican is a brain dead monster? Hypothetically, let's say Palin wasn't that- brain dead or monstrous.
But let's say the republicans nominated someone who you felt was extremely dim-witted... and sort of evil in their ignorance. Would you still vote for them, simply because you're a conservative and they were the republican nominee?
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