Have you seen your starting 1b?
This post is just full of fail.
Lince played on an even crappier team with even less run support last year. Seemed to have an alright season.
Wainwright is "decent at best". Watch him pitch. Please!!
Garza's what? 26? Seemed to be a pretty good pitcher last year in the ALCS. I think the kid might have a future. LMAO. Garza sucks, but your sucking Scott Baker's ? That is hilarious.
Carmona packed on muscle. The reason he sucked last year was because a)he got hurt, b)Victor Martinez got hurt and he doesn't speak English so he and Kelly Shoppach couldn't agree on anything. He was the 2nd best pitcher in winter ball this winter and has a 2.40 ERA in the Spring.
He has the best stuff of anyone on my staff. Both Torri Hunter and Derek Jeter called him unhittable
Garza will implode this year. He will be on the waiver wire by June. He logged too many innings last season, and isn't that good to begin with. Teams like the Rays come every so often. They put it all together then the next year they implode- see the 2007 Indians.
Have you seen my starting middle infield and outfield?
1st base is a platoon, Victor Martinez, Carlos Guillen, Thome, and Tehan. Somewhere in there I can pick up some stats. But I won't need them since my outfield, and the rest of my infield will be raking
Carmona admitted to coming in overweight and that he had to lose a few pounds. Wonder if he lost a few pounds of muscle?
Lince will implode as well, too many innings for a young arm last year.
he is fine. Leave scouting the Indians to the expert. I'm not worried about Carmona as much as I am about Cliff Lee
at you thinking that Vmart, Guillen, Thome and Tehan is anything more than below average for a starting 1b. And then all you have for CI is Alex "bust from day 1" Gordon? TEHAN?!?!?!? Dude, you aren't doing yourself any favors posting his name in this thread.
A platoon at 1b, which is probably the most STACKED position in all of Fantasy? That's hilarious.
Expert? Dude, you lost that status when you drafted that pitching staff.
Cliff Lee? Lighting in a bottle. Hope he enjoyed that 1 great season.
so you agree with my strategy then. No use spending a high draft pick on a first baseman when I will be beating others in other positions. I just need my first base platoon to not be as bad as my opponents 3rd base platoon because I won't lose another position. My Outfield is by far the best in the league, my middle infield is the best, and 3rd base is no slouch
A platoon at 1b, which is probably the most STACKED position in all of Fantasy? That's hilarious.
If first base is so stacked, then there is no reason to spend a high draft pick on one.
Negative. Terrible strategy. You are sending out a below average player at a position with way more than 10 above average options. I'd really like for you to point out how many teams in this league have a worse 3b option than your 1b options. And 3b is BY FAR AND AWAY a thinner position than 1b.
And is Alex Gordon really your only fall back for when Chipper gets hurt? Seriously friend, you can't seriously feel comfortable with a guy that can't hit lefthanded pitching being YOUR ONLY viable CI starter.
You do have a pretty nasty OF, but if you expect Magglio, Manny, or Bradley to come even close to what they did last year you are worse at Fantasy Baseball than I think.
Granderson has proven his biggest year was a fluke. The guy doesn't even steal bases anymore.
But hey, you've got Lastings Milledge. Now theres a stud. Just hope he can find some playing time in the really crowded Nationals OF.
Did a little reasearch and Carlos Guillen or Jim Thome wouldn't start over any other teams starting 3b except Chase Headley.
Lol, i guarantee it wasn't a strategy. You just got caught up in drafting old ass OF and forgot to draft a 1b. Admit it.
I drafted Victor Martinez to be my 1st baseman
and Magglio sucked last year and Milton might not even get any PT in my line because I go Shin Soo Chooooo
I did a mock draft a day before the draft here and the guys over there pointed out to me to delete Sheets from the auto draft sheet.It's all good. ATrain wasn't there for half the draft. I think it auto-drafted Ben Sheets for him. Ouch!
I couldn't make it to the draft here because of:
- 7 hour time difference (during a week day)
- no idea what I am doing anyway
Just spread the positions using the FA's on the waiver wire and keeping an eye on the developments during the season.
I was a hughe MLB fan about 15 years ago, but lost touch with it due to my passion for the NBA. Looking forward to learn about the current stars in the league due to this fantasy league.
Kinda cool to see me high in the pre-season rankings, but skeptic to why I got these players in the auto-draft before anybody else did. I'll learn as the season goes by.
Thanks for your time FWD and good luck to all y'all Spurs fan!
Everyone has an itching for pitching
Some Fantasy owners hold steadfast to the belief that pitching trumps hitting in Head-to-Head leagues, bucking the conventional wisdom of Rotisserie play, which says just the opposite. So when you see your opponents scooping up starting pitchers left and right during the first few rounds of a Head-to-Head draft, don't be surprised, but don't follow suit either.
The argument just doesn't hold water. True, you can survive with a makeshift rotation better in a Rotisserie league than a Head-to-Head league, where wins and innings often have greater statistical significance, but that subtle difference shouldn't rock the foundation of longstanding Fantasy ideology.
I think the misconception stems from a recurring snap judgment that even responsible -- yes, responsible -- Fantasy owners seem to make. They look at the numbers -- a habit I fully endorse -- and see that pitchers typically score more than hitters. I'll admit it: They do. They outscore hitters. But quarterbacks typically outscore running backs in Fantasy Football, and you won't find anyone telling you to pick them instead.
And you know full well why. The position as a whole outscores the other positions, meaning the 10th starting pitcher outscores the 10th second baseman just like the first starting pitcher outscores the first second baseman. But you'll notice the 10th starting pitcher outscores the 10th second baseman by more than the first starting pitcher outscores the first second baseman, demonstrating a lack of elasticity at the position. The scoring output declines faster at second base, meaning you don't lose as much by taking a lesser pitcher as you do by taking a lesser second baseman.
You might worry that if you don't draft a pitcher early, you'll lose your chance to get a bona-fide ace. But you shouldn't think of it as losing an ace so much as gaining a stud at another position. You'll still get an ace, just a lesser one, and your opponent will have a much harder time finding a suitable option at whatever position you took instead. Just because someone drafts a pitcher early doesn't mean he gets to play that pitcher at shortstop instead, which I realize sounds like a ridiculously fundamental idea, but my point is you shouldn't judge how a position stacks up against another position as much as how a position stacks up against itself. Don't think of it so much as your opponent getting 582 points from Tim Lince compared to your 563.5 points from Jimmy Rollins. Think of it more as him getting 582 points from Lince and 426.5 from Miguel Tejada compared to your 563.5 points from Rollins and 461 points from Chad Billingsley. Who wins? Quite honestly, who wins?
To get an idea of how far this pitchers-first mentality has spun out of control, take a look at our earliest Head-to-Head mock draft.
I didn't take my first pitcher until Round 6. By then, most every other team had two or three. Might I have considered taking one earlier? Sure, but not when I had the opportunity to reel in this catch during Rounds 1-4: David Wright, Grady Sizemore, Rollins and Ian Kinsler.
Notice the common thread between those players? That's right: All four could potentially go in the first round of any draft.
Nobody should ever open a season with four first-round draft picks. You might get two if you pick in the right spot, maybe three if you play with a complete novice on some misguided mission to reassemble the 2003 New York Yankees. But four? That should never, ever happen.
But it did -- and in a league of professionals, no less. And I don't mean to suggest they don't know what they're doing, because they obviously do. I just want you to understand how easily you can get swept away in a grab-fest for frontline starting pitching.
I also don't mean to suggest if some clear-cut ace like Roy Halladay falls to you in the third or fourth round, you shouldn't even consider taking him, but don't get so caught up in an ill-advised pitching run that you overlook a stud the rest of the league has hand delivered to you.
Of course, that idea applies specifically to Head-to-Head leagues. I can think of some even more important reasons to target hitters over pitchers, and if you'd like to read about them, check out my separate column on pitching philosophies.
So some dude I have never heard of from CBS Sportsline comes up with a philosophy and that all the sudden makes it gospel?
At this point, I am not sure who you are trying to convice here ... us or yourself.
he is the Michael Jordon of Fantasy Baseball, wins his league every year
Really? Cus his bio on the site says that he has won 'several football and baseball' leagues. No numbers. If he won every year, you think they would say so. Also, if he won every year they would make him their 'expert' instead of that other guy. Instead, he is just a staff writer.
Just looking at Thunder Dan's roster, imo, he's deficient in wins, saves, and strikeouts. His pitching staff will have a difficult time competing in those three categories all year long. And if a couple of his pitchers gets rocked each week, he won't have enough innings pitched to minimize the damage to his era and whip. His hitting better carry him because his pitching is going to put him in a hole from the beginning.
And looking at his batters, he has a deep, diverse group of talent. But for him to even consider making the playoffs, he will need Victor Martinez, Chipper Jones, and Manny Ramirez to stay healthy all season. History tells us that is a crap shoot.
The way I see it, unless Thunder Dan makes some incredible pitching pickups during the season, I see him finishing in the middle of the pack at best.
Picking Vmart as your 1b was a mistake. The guy is getting old, and i no way will ever perform as more than a barely average first baseman.
<<<taking notes on talking from ThunderDan
I only thought I was good at talking bull . This dude is a bull maestro.
Thunder Dan, what is your opinion of Luis Scola? And while you're at it, what do you think of Brent Barry?
Thanks in advance.
And how does a Cleveland fan end up calling himself ThunderDan?
That's like a Spurfan calling himself the dunking dutchman or something.
I'm skeptical of his view, mostly because I can't imagine any reputable league -- anywhere -- that would allow Sizemore, Rollins, and Kinsler to last beyond Round 2. That the expert's opinion is somehow justified by his draft in a league in which one of those players was available in Round 3 and another in Round 4 says to me that the league either completely sucks or that the owners were f'ing around when drafting. In either event, those results certainly seem anomalous and hardly a good basis to advise others about how to draft.
We'll see how this thing works philosophically. This league has teams that are pitching-heavy and teams that are bat-heavy, to go with a few that are fairly balanced. By season's end, we should have evidence to prove or disprove this guy's theory.
He is recognized by the WFBS (World Fantasy Baseball Society) every year for his dominance in the game. Tell me you are a member as I am. I've been a charter member for 5 years now. Looks like you amateurs have met your match. You all are about to get the classic 5 month hustle
Last edited by Thunder Dan; 04-04-2009 at 10:16 AM.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
