Come N Get it-- All Remaining Games for Western Playoff teams, seeding, tiebreakers !

[Mavs<Spurs]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/7164305

The following is an explanation of NBA tiebreaking scenarios.
Determining Ties for Playoff Position
In order to break a tie for playoff positions, if one exists at the end of the regular season, the following criteria will be utilized in the order set forth:
TWO-WAY TIES
1. Results of games against each other.
2. Better winning percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Better point differential between offense and defense.
MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIED
1. If applicable, division champions must be determined first.
2. Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
4. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
5. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including team that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Best point differential between offense and defense.
Note: If a multiple team tie is reduced to a two-team tie at any point using the above criteria, the two-team tie will be resolved in accordance with the existing two-team tie procedure.

Hope this helps. It is a link and a direct quote.
And I just verified (by following my own link) that this was written 2009.

[Mel_13]

If there is a 3 way tie, this is true.

Read McDonald's article. Says that in a two way tie between a division winner and a non-division winner, the division winner gets the higher seed regardless of head-to-head outcomes. Says it is a new tweak to the tiebreaker rules added this year. Of course, if he's wrong, I'm wrong.

[Road Warrior]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/7164305

The following is an explanation of NBA tiebreaking scenarios.
Determining Ties for Playoff Position
In order to break a tie for playoff positions, if one exists at the end of the regular season, the following criteria will be utilized in the order set forth:
TWO-WAY TIES
1. Results of games against each other.
2. Better winning percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Better point differential between offense and defense.
MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIED
1. If applicable, division champions must be determined first.
2. Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
4. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
5. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including team that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Best point differential between offense and defense.
Note: If a multiple team tie is reduced to a two-team tie at any point using the above criteria, the two-team tie will be resolved in accordance with the existing two-team tie procedure.

Hope this helps. It is a link and a direct quote.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...n-th.html#more


UPDATE: There is one fairly plausible scenario in which the Spurs could wind up third. If the Spurs win out, and the Rockets lose at least one of their final two games, they are the No. 3 seed -- regardless of what happens to Portland.

If Portland also loses one or more games, the Spurs obviously take the third seed outright.

If Portland also wins out, it would create a two-way tie with the Spurs for third and fourth. The Spurs would win that tiebreaker based on an NBA rule, new for this season, that gives division winners an automatic tiebreaker over non-division winners. As such, the Spurs would gain third place over Portland, despite the fact the Blazers took three of four from them this season.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Read McDonald's article. Says that in a two way tie between a division winner and a non-division winner, the division winner gets the higher seed regardless of head-to-head outcomes. Says it is a new tweak to the tiebreaker rules added this year. Of course, if he's wrong, I'm wrong.

Read the tiebreaking rules which I conveniently posted.

They are quoted in the post below yours and above mine (presuming I guess this in quickly).

And it is 2009.

The Oregon sportswriter said the opposite.

But most importantly, of course, the rules which I directly quoted in full say the opposite and that posting was written 2009.

(btw, you all frequently note that McDonald gets things wrong. So, it wouldn't be the first time that he is incorrect.)

[Russ]

I just checked to make sure..

Dallas is 0-4 vs. Denver..they're 3-0 vs. Portland..

they'll be playing hard for that 6th seed..

Now we're talking. Dallas remembers their end-of-season screwup that stuck them with a bad matchup (GS) in '07.

[Mel_13]

Read the tiebreaking rules which I conveniently posted.

They are quoted in the post below yours and above mine (presuming I guess this in quickly).

And it is 2009.

The Oregon sportswriter said the opposite.

But most importantly, of course, the rules which I directly quoted in full say the opposite and that posting was written 2009.

I did read them, in fact I posted them in another thread before this thread started. I understand and agree with you that according to those rules the Spurs would be 4th in a tie with Portland if Houston loses. That is how I understood things until McDonald's article today which stated otherwise.

So with McDonald saying one thing and CBS Sports and an Oregon sportswriter saying the opposite, I looked on NBA for official rules on the official site of the NBA.

Guess what? Unless this new rule McDonald speaks of is not included in the rules below, McDonald is wrong



I stand corrected. In the event of Spurs win, Rockets loss, and Blazer win, the seedings will be:

Blazers
Spurs
Rockets

Rules from NBA.com

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playoff_picture.html#tbb

[ElNono]

I guess I have to thank McDonalds for making me look like fool too. Thanks for nothing Jeff!

[Mavs<Spurs]

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...n-th.html#more


UPDATE: There is one fairly plausible scenario in which the Spurs could wind up third. If the Spurs win out, and the Rockets lose at least one of their final two games, they are the No. 3 seed -- regardless of what happens to Portland.

If Portland also loses one or more games, the Spurs obviously take the third seed outright.

If Portland also wins out, it would create a two-way tie with the Spurs for third and fourth. The Spurs would win that tiebreaker based on an NBA rule, new for this season, that gives division winners an automatic tiebreaker over non-division winners. As such, the Spurs would gain third place over Portland, despite the fact the Blazers took three of four from them this season.

The list of rules posted for 2 way and 3 way was copyrighted 2009.

So, unless these changes were made in the middle of the season sometime after January, then it is current.

I have directly and fully quoted a 2009 listing of the rules for breaking 2 and 3 way ties.

There was no article, no commentary. It was simply the rules quoted in full and it was written 2009.

Unless somehow the people who wrote down the rules did not copy them correctly, then this would be right.

After all, I am not going by a list of the rules written in 2008 (ie. this is current, 2009 copyright). I am not interpreting anything incorrectly. This is clearly the plain meaning of the list of rules. It is simply the rules and thus, it would seem to be less likely to be in error than an article by a sportswriter.

So, the only way for me to be wrong in this case is if the writers simply copying/recording exclusively the rules for 2 and 3 way tiebreakers got it completely wrong.

But I am just going by what the list of rules listed at the website gave.


My apologies if this is wrong.

[timvp]

Looks like Mavs<Spurs was right. Props and props on keeping this thread updated.

McDonald just needs to retire from writing about the NBA. He needs to go back to writing about the Longhorns or whatever.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I guess I have to thank McDonalds for making me look like fool too. Thanks for nothing Jeff!

Not your fault.

McDonald makes mistakes.

But it is his job to get it right.

And you should be able to count on him to do his job well.

So, no worries.

You all completely have my respect because I don't fault you all in any way.

But here we are.

[Mugen]

I guess I have to thank McDonalds for making me look like fool too. Thanks for nothing Jeff!

does that mean i'm right ElNono?! haha you can't ever trust McDonald to get his facts straight.

did he really just make up that rule from nowhere w/o any basis??

i still dont see the logic of a divsion winner winning the tie breaker over a team that had a better head to head record.

im even more confused now.

just start the damn playoffs.

[ElNono]

Actually, here's the rub: If Portland wins, San Antonio wins and the Rockets lose, there would be a 3 way tie between Denver-Portland-San Antonio... that's why the multi team tie rules apply...

[Mavs<Spurs]

Looks like Mavs<Spurs was right. Props and props on keeping this thread updated.

McDonald just needs to retire from writing about the NBA. He needs to go back to writing about the Longhorns or whatever.

Thanks for the kind words.

I am looking forward to your thoughts on the game!

[timvp]

So if the Spurs win, the Blazers win and the Mavs beat the Rockets, then what will the standings look like? Would it be my perfect scenario?

[ElNono]

The thing is that if we have a muti-team tie, we would have to apply the 'determine the division champs' as the first rule. That would be San Antonio and Denver...

[Mel_13]

So if the Spurs win, the Blazers win and the Mavs beat the Rockets, then what will the standings look like? Would it be my perfect scenario?

yes, you would get your wish

Lakers
Denver
Blazers
Spurs
Rockets
Hornets
Dallas
Utah

[timvp]

yes, you would get your wish

Lakers
Denver
Blazers
Spurs
Rockets
Hornets
Dallas
Utah

Sweet.

Let's go Mavs

[alchemist]

If the Trail Blazers win and the Rockets and Spurs lose, then it's Rockets versus the Spurs in the first round.

If Portland and San Antonio win and the Rockets lose, the Rockets would be fifth and open in Portland.

If Denver and San Antonio win, and the Rockets lose, the Rockets would open against Portland in Houston.


http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2009/04/o..._will_ope.html


there you go. hopefully anyone of those combos happen.

[NewJerSpur]

Damn my head hurts.

[Frenzy]

man the play offs in the west will be alot more heart attack worthy than the east. Cant wait!!

[Mavs<Spurs]

Actually, here's the rub: If Portland wins, San Antonio wins and the Rockets lose, there would be a 3 way tie between Denver-Portland-San Antonio... that's why the multi team tie rules apply...

However, all 3 teams currently are 53 wins and 28 losses.

So, if Portland wins, San Antonio wins and Houston loses, then San Antonio has a record of 54 wins 28 losses, Portland has a record of 54 wins 28 losses and Houston has a record of 53 wins 29 losses.

So, there would be a 2 way tiebreaker which Portland would win.

Then, we would become the fourth seed.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_re...w_Std_Div.html

[ElNono]

If Portland and San Antonio win and the Rockets lose, the Rockets would be fifth and open in Portland.

See? That means the Spurs would get the #3 seed

[Mavs<Spurs]

yes, you would get your wish

Lakers
Denver
Blazers
Spurs
Rockets
Hornets
Dallas
Utah

that's what I got also. Check.



Go Spurs !

Go _allas for one game !

Go Spurstalk !

[alchemist]

See? That means the Spurs would get the #3 seed

yep, all this seeding bull made my head hurt though

[ElNono]

However, all 3 teams currently are 53 wins and 28 losses.

So, if Portland wins, San Antonio wins and Houston loses, then San Antonio has a record of 54 wins 28 losses, Portland has a record of 54 wins 28 losses and Houston has a record of 53 wins 29 losses.

So, there would be a 2 way tiebreaker which Portland would win.

Then, we would become the fourth seed.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_re...w_Std_Div.html

You forget that if Portland wins, Denver also falls to 54-28, making it a 3 team tie...