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If I were Gooden, I wouldn't even fly back with the team. I'd throw a big " F U" finger to Pop as I took a taxi cab back home...
Grat job indeed this season Mr. Mason and I look forward to seeing what you might do in '09/'10.
If I were Gooden, I wouldn't even fly back with the team. I'd throw a big " F U" finger to Pop as I took a taxi cab back home...
No its not just pops fault, though that did mess his confidence up, and never having a set rotation f'ed things up also. BUT, if you watched games you recognize that he's a very easy guard for anyone decently athletic. Go over screens, Mason cannot drive at all, he can't create his own shot 1v1, he only relies on pass outs. Which is fine for a role player to come in and hover around to hit some 3's...im just saying relying on him as a guy who gets 25-30 minutes is not legit. We need a multi-dimentional guy, not a stop and pop shooter...don't we have a team completely full of those? We have like one guys who can get to the hoop, that's it. I say ditch him for someone quicker and more aggressive
Didn't Mason play PG some for the Wizards?
It's really hard for role players to do well when they don't know their role! And that's all on Pop - he really messed up Mason's game.
You helped a lot in the playoffs with your fantastic shot and your great D
I hope today is the last time I see you in Spurs uniform
Hedo Part 2
Send Mason back to Washington first thing in the AM.
Send Bonner to the deserts of Egypt.
Send Finley back to Markie Cuban.
Send Vaughn anywhere as long as it's 7 time zones from San Antonio.
Send Thomas to NY or Phoenix.
Send Oberto to a heart specialist to get good advice, then retire him.
Send Udoka back to Portland.
Gooden should tell Pop to screw it
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Tell Manu he is now a permanent # 8 man and taxi driver if he plays anymore summer ball.
Then get us players who are athletic, younger, longer, taller, quicker, smarter and can put the ball in the hoop and play lock-down 'D'.
So where's the spurfans who said he would be clutch come playoff time?
Couldn't agree more. Pop and his positional flexibility. Force-fitting guys into roles that don't fit. He should simply let players do what they do best.If you are going to blame him you better be on Pop's ass too. He killed Roger's game with the whole 'George Hill can't play in the playoffs cuz' he's a rookie so I'm going to make Mason my point guard' thing.
Mason was never the same after Pop made that move. Damn, I remember the days when Hill was playing a defense and chipping in offense while Mason was dropping 18 a game and hitting three game winners.
But Pop ruined it all
Defensively Mason sucked but Mavs were a bad matchup for Mason. Barea and Terry were too mobile and Howard was too strong.
Offensively Mason sucked too.
I do think Mason is still a keeper. He has had a quite good regular season. With Manu back and Hill hopefully being the backup PG, his offensive role will change a lot compared to these playoffs.
Spurs Brazil, i respect you but i dont think this thread is good.
I still believe Mason is a keeper. Pop just had to up his game. Remember this was his first year as a Spur. I just hope things get better next year.
Sucking on the defensive end is sort of a problem. And after he got exposed by Pop's PG experiment, any time he had the ball in his hands, the other teams knew to collapse on him - because there is a better than average chance of taking it away from him. He made a lot of passes that were off the mark, and either turned the ball over or left guys exposed out on the wing.
I like the guy... but damn. He looks like a one trick pony, and that sort of limits his value.
+1
If we are going to keep him as simply a spot up shooter for certain matchup, then he needs to come from the bench. We need more guys that can create a shot for themselves, off the dribble or otherwise.
Boo mutha ing whoo, pop messed up mason. Get over it. The guy is a pro. Yeah pop might have screwed with his play from the whole pg experiment, but that was old news. Get over it. What did george hill do when he was told he wasn't ready for the playoffs? The man put his head down and worked his ass off and made a difference. If you want to use the excuse that pop ed him up you might as well give mason some vagisil.
i think expectations were/are way too high for Mason ... the media went gaga over Mason because he had a several game winners on national t.v. ...
he is what he is though , and that is strictly a 3-point shooter that , for the most part , gets his looks from the big three when one of them they penetrates and draws a double team . he's a player that can benefit a lot with Manu on the court because Manu creates shots for people ...
since Manu is not there though , he's forced to be a the fourth option and that's just not something he can do . it's unfair and unrealistic to expect anything that much more from him then what a player like Eddie House does for Boston ( i do think he's better than Eddie House though ) ... he's a spark plug that can ignite a crowd at home and silence it on the road with a timely three or two , or three ... i still believe he can be that for this team ... BUT ... not as the back-up pg and not with Manu out . he's best suited for the sg position , and as a complimentary player , not a de facto 3rd option , where defenses are able to focus on him more .
Last edited by mingus; 04-29-2009 at 01:55 AM.
Mason should not be compared to Hedo at all...Mason has waaay more balls than him and can be more of a contributor next yr. Pop just screwed with Mason's head...and like someone else here said...the Mavs were just a bad matchup for Mason..and the Spurs as a whole overall.
The thing that worries me about Mason is that he can't get around screens. You throw a screen on him and he almost always gets stuck. Is that something you can improve? Maybe working on his quickness this offseason?
Besides that flaw he's a good prospect but that's a pretty damning flaw for a Spurs player.
Mason will be fine, he needs to work on a couple of things - defense, driving, finishing at the rim and going aroud screens, but he's shown he can be a great contributor as a 4th scorer. He's also shown he can't be depended on being the backup PG or the 3rd scorer so take him for what he is.
I believe he can be deadly in a lineup with the big 3 because he'll get a lot of room and he's a of a shooter. Our wingman rotation in the second half of the season and the playoffs has been terrible and inconsistent, it has affected everyone's game, except for Bruce's. Cut Mason some slack, he'll be back strong next season.
Throw in Ginobili too, for being stupid and playing in the Olympics on that shaky ankle. He pretty much ed everything up for the Spurs this whole season, making Pop depend on guys that pretty much tanked it when we needed them most.
Mason will improve...he is a tough guy..and in his 1st yr as a Spur did better than most have done in their 1st yr as a Spur.
true about the regular season.
I actually posted in the regular season i believe during a board lovefest for Mason after a gamewinner that Hedo actually hit clutch end-of-game shots in the regular season for the Spurs (against Indiana) before disappearing in the playoffs.
Mason just continued the tradition.
He's an average at best defender, and brings nothing else to the table beyond 3s. At least Hedo could rebound and create a little.
Couldn't agree moreIf you are going to blame him you better be on Pop's ass too. He killed Roger's game with the whole 'George Hill can't play in the playoffs cuz' he's a rookie so I'm going to make Mason my point guard' thing.
Mason was never the same after Pop made that move. Damn, I remember the days when Hill was playing a defense and chipping in offense while Mason was dropping 18 a game and hitting three game winners.
But Pop ruined it all
No problem whatsoever. There is so many such players out there, they are already standing in the line in front of Spurs' FO and they come very cheap too.
Well said. Other than no Manu, this was our demise.If you are going to blame him you better be on Pop's ass too. He killed Roger's game with the whole 'George Hill can't play in the playoffs cuz' he's a rookie so I'm going to make Mason my point guard' thing.
Mason was never the same after Pop made that move. Damn, I remember the days when Hill was playing a defense and chipping in offense while Mason was dropping 18 a game and hitting three game winners.
But Pop ruined it all
The guy is cheap, he's just a role player.
Sure he couldn't deliver like Manu, is it really what you expect for half of the MLE?
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