Atheism on the rise in every single US state.

[Blake]

My big question is why? Why does god want us in heaven so badly?

....and if he wants us in heaven so badly, then why not just skip the earth part altogether and just get us all in Heaven from the start?

[angel_luv]

We will probably never see eye to eye on this




I did and it sounded weird and creepy

Although I disagree with your beliefs, I must say that I genuinely wish I had the same faith in there being a god, or God like you. I really want there to be an all loving being,celestial parent watching out for us. It sounds great. But, I just cannot find or accept anything to make me believe that there is.

I have some amazing friends and family, but no one has ever loved me as wonderfully as Jesus has.

Jesus has been my constant friend and a never failing source of help, comfort, and joy to me.

The Lord promises that all who seek Him will find Him. This is His promise to you.

You will be in my prayers.
If I can answer any questions or assist you in anyway. let me know. I would be delighted to help you.

That goes for all of you in this thread.

[Blake]

So you are saying God ought to force you to go to Heaven by making it automatic?

why the entrance fee?

[I Love Me Some Me]

why the entrance fee?

What fee?

[Blake]

As an example, think of God like a head coach of a basketball team.

If Pop draws up a proven perfect play and Tony disregards it or Timmy refuses to position himself properly, is Pop to blame for the lack of results?
No the fault would lie with Tony or Timmy for thinking they knew better than Pop.

I'd like to take your thought process one step further.

Pop draws up a perfect play from a luxury suite upstairs and sends it down to the bench.

20 different assistant coaches draw up their versions of the play, and Tim and Tony get confused.

They asked to see Pop, but are told that they just have to have faith that he is upstairs and the play he sent is perfect.

Tony doesn't believe that there is a Pop, so when he dies, Pop is pissed........not that he didn't run the right play, but because Tony didn't believe in Pop and that Tim died for Tony's sins....

so Pop sends Tony to for all eternity to be punished and tortured....

"...and Pop saw all that he had created, looked at the 4 rings on his fingers and said, "damn, it is good"

[ashbeeigh]

Does someone want to summarize this one for me?

[Blake]

He did... He created life... leaving a pretty amazing fingerprint.

Even then naysayers still find ways to discredit His handiwork, choosing instead to believe in abiogenensis (the belief that 'life' was produced from non-living molecules)....


That conviction is born from the 'sense' that we need Him, something other than ourselves. Some people are simply too self-sufficient, too independent and believe they don't need GOD. One can't find something if they aren't searching for it...



Not circular at all... Your prayers will reach heaven only if they are genuine...
If you truly desire to find Him, you will. Otherwise, why waste your breath in mocking His desire to come to know us.

then why have ministers that have spent their life studying the word, searching for him finally give up and go atheist?

explain how a tribesman in Africa will find Jesus.

[Blake]

What fee?

so I don't have to do anything to get in?

then what have you been arguing about this whole time?

[Blake]

you really think heaven is gonna suck?

I'm pointing out the incons encies about what heaven is going to be like.

I've already asked how we still have free will in Heaven.

ILMSM said that we will have free will but will not have the capacity to sin any more.

Please explain why Heaven will be better than Earth. Singing to Jesus all day long from mansion is not a reason.

No schtick here. why is it better?

[E20]

I never get why people who believe or don't believe in God try to explain or think how God works. I am religous myself, but I don't go around trying to think of how God operates and why he would do this or how his plan works.

I mean since God is Omnipotent/all that and so way ahead of humans, why would humans try to explain on god's behalf about his 'thought' process or ultimate plan when the human mind is finite and God is infinite. It's obviously something way over the human brain if god existed. It's like trying to explain an infinitley abstract concept and humans can't think of a logical way to do it, because if God is infinitley advanced than us we wouldn't be able to understand it.

It's pretty simple and I hate religous convos on teh internet:

1. Some people choose to believe.
2. others don't

wtf cares let people choose what they want to believe out of respect for their choice and kick back

[Blake]

I never get why people who believe or don't believe in God try to explain how God works. I am religous myself, but I don't go around trying to think of how God operates and why he would do this or how his plan works.

I mean since God is Omnipotent/all that and so way ahead of humans, why would humans try to explain on god's behalf about his 'thought' process or ultimate plan when the human mind is finite and God is infinite. It's obviously something way over the human brain if god existed. It's like trying to explain an infinitley abstract concept and humans can't.

It's pretty simple and I hate religous convos on teh internet:

1. Some people choose to believe.
2. others don't

wtf cares let people choose what they want to believe out of respect for their choice and kick back

You do yourself a disservice by not doing any critical thinking about your belief system.

The God of the OT is different than the God of the NT. People ask why. Sheeple don't.

[I Love Me Some Me]

so I don't have to do anything to get in?

then what have you been arguing about this whole time?

just believe.

[E20]

You do yourself a disservice by not doing any critical thinking about your belief system.

The God of the OT is different than the God of the NT. People ask why. Sheeple don't.

I do think about my belief system, question it, find answers, and analyze it, but what I was referring to was all the bs questions like:

Why would I want to go heaven and why does god want me there?
Is it free?
Why does this happen and why doesn't this happen? what is god thinking?
is he gonna torture everyone else besides so and so?

I don't think of scenarios where I try to examine what's going in God's head and attempt to explain everything that has happend on earth and what made god want to do it; I don't try to explain something infinite with finite mind. I think and try to learn more about the belief system and why I follow the guidelines and what the underlying message is.

[MiamiHeat]

just believe.

Why don't you believe in unicorns, Zeus or Amun-Ra?

Why only Jesus?

[ALVAREZ6]

Which pretty well sums up every problem I have with fervent Christianity.

hahaha

I completely agree

[ALVAREZ6]

how can anyone deny this?

is it self-deception? no courage to face themselves? lack of wisdom/perception to realize it?

it's called being a pussy.

[ALVAREZ6]

if you refuse to believe in god or jesus or allah or whatever, i don't see how you can outright buy all the bull scientists feed you.

this may be one of the dumbest questions I have ever read and will ever read in my entire life and my eventually eternal damnation.

[E20]

When it comes to new science that hasn't been around for a while and hasn't broken ground I'm a skeptic, just how science wants you to be. I want data, proofs, studies, theories, anything that can or might be able to prove it wrong and see what people in the area that are important have to say about it.

[MiamiHeat]

When it comes to new science that hasn't been around for a while and hasn't broken ground I'm a skeptic, just how science wants you to be. I want data, proofs, studies, theories, anything that can or might be able to prove it wrong and see what people in the area that are important have to say about it.

that's a of a lot better than some book about one of thousands of gods written by humans in the bronze age.

[E20]

that's a of a lot better than some book about one of thousands of gods written by humans in the bronze age.

Yeah but humans as a species are illogical at times. We all do illogical things in life, believing in god is illogical by human standards you cannot say something is there when there are no means to prove it emperically, that's why you cannot measure faith by scientific means. faith is something irrational that you believe in. To believe in god you have to put aisde some rationale/reason for faith.

[ALVAREZ6]

I have a question.....if you get sentenced to eternal by god, do you even feel pain, since you are separate from your body? Can your soul/spirit feel physical pain?

Can anyone answer this?

[E20]

Can anyone answer this?

No one in the universe can, except God. Anyone attempting to try to explain how things operate and how God thinks or the afterlife/spirtural stuff are lying. That's soemthign no one can explain and if it does exist then you will have to wait and find out

[MiamiHeat]

Can anyone answer this?

You feel pain.

Read the Bible it's in there.

[Blake]

just believe.

.....in Jesus.....not just God, but Jesus.....

thus the entrance fee.

[Silver&Black Warrior]

"The spirit makes it clear that as time goes on, some are going to give up on the faith and chase after illusions put forth by professional liars. These liars have lied so well and for so long that they've lost their capacity for truth. They will tell you not to get married. They will tell you not to eat this or that food..."

The end is near.

Just curios as to where you got this quote. Very, very curios.