Atheism on the rise in every single US state.

[LnGrrrR]

Of course not....but we are not living in Old Testament times. I do think my child should be subject to the laws of the land and to the consequences for breaking those laws.

So, some laws/punishments that God/the Bible provided are no longer acceptable?

[exstatic]

I don't see how anyone alive and sentient between, say, January 2001 and January 2009 can say that Christianity is anything BUT anti-science.

[I Love Me Some Me]

So, some laws/punishments that God/the Bible provided are no longer acceptable?

You need to have an understanding of the importance of Jesus...in Acts we are told "by Jesus everyone who believes is set free from all those sins from which you could not be freed bt the law of Moses."

The covenant God established with Israel was good until the Messiah came. Jesus' arrived to establish a new covenant with God's people, and taught us to obey the spirit of Old Testament law, not the letter of the law.

So, to answer your question, the laws still exist (although our understanding of their intent was clarified through Jesus) but the punishments are forgiven.

[I Love Me Some Me]

I don't see how anyone alive and sentient between, say, January 2001 and January 2009 can say that Christianity is anything BUT anti-science.

Why that timeframe?

[Blake]

Any source that argues one point or the other is going to be biased. That doesn't make it any less true.

then use a non-atheist/non-christian source that doesn't try to argue one point over another. It's really not hard to do.

there are several theories as to why the library burned down, the most common being that Julius Ceasar did so by accident.

http://ehistory.osu.edu/world/articl...View.cfm?AID=9

[Blake]

Your example does not follow the Scripture. God did not send 20 people down with His plan. God sent His One and Only Son Jesus, who clearly outlined the way for man to return to right standing with God.

Youre comparing Pop to God and you say my example doesn't work?

We can actually see and do ent Pop talking to Tim and Tony in the huddle.

In the real world, if God exists, then he coaches from way upstairs and the players never physically see or hear him coach....

..and the assistant coaches try to decipher the plays that God sent in from his suite.

Walk into any Christian bookstore and there might be 20 different translations of the Bible.

Why? Which version is the most correct version?

[Blake]

You need to have an understanding of the importance of Jesus...in Acts we are told "by Jesus everyone who believes is set free from all those sins from which you could not be freed bt the law of Moses."

The covenant God established with Israel was good until the Messiah came. Jesus' arrived to establish a new covenant with God's people, and taught us to obey the spirit of Old Testament law, not the letter of the law.

So, to answer your question, the laws still exist (although our understanding of their intent was clarified through Jesus) but the punishments are forgiven.

BC Jews go to Heaven.

AD Jews go to .

[Blake]

Because my finite mind can understand that I shouldn't don't bother wasting my time trying to think what an infinite being, God, is thinking and what his motives or why is he thinking what he's thinking because my finite mind wouldn't be able to come to a conclusion on what an infinite beings motives are and asking questions regarding that topic is BS and a waste of time. It's like trying to explain the concept of infinity - you can't. Damn that was a phat ass run on.

It's all pretty simple and you're just overcomplicating things to get a ruse out of people.

not really. There are inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible and I'm personally looking for answers.

If you choose to not bother with contradictions and inconsistencies and just chalk it up to God being God, then good for you, move along.

[Blake]

Even before 'the fall' Adam and Eve weren't impervious to sin... Yeah, they were sinless... but sin existed simply because Lucifer and his minions existed... and because GOD didn't restrict earth-access to them. It was the serpent (Lucifer) that introduced Adam and Eve to sin - to his miserable curse...

got that.

I'm not entirely sure we will have the capability of sinning once "sin has been defeated once and for all"... Without such a powerful force in Heaven, who or what would be a driver for sin to ever resurface???

so how did Lucifer sin in Heaven?

That phrase could also imply that we will have no memory of sin altogether... Who knows - the Bible isn't explicitly detailed on the nature of our eternal activities (considering it would likely take an infinitely sized book to capture it all)....

so God erases our memory?

I don't need a infinitely sized book about what heaven will be like. A chapter in one of the books of the Bible with something other than "we get to be with Jesus" would suffice.

Maybe our glorified bodies will be incapable of 'tempting' and betraying our minds... We will not hunger because we will always feel satiated... we will not lust because we will feel the euphoria of sustaining an eternal "orgasm" or something even greater... We will not feel compeled to hoard treasures because everything and anything imaginable will be at our disposal in our Father's 'mansion'... We will not feel hatred, anger or sadness because we will constantly be overwhelmed with the Joy and the Peace of the LORD's presence. Although I admit, there's a great deal of speculation in what I just wrote... "Free-will," however, will likely not be my number one 'concern' while there...

if Heaven is the same in the future as it was at the beginning of time, then the same jealousy that got Lucifer thrown out will still exist.

We will obviously not have the power that God has. We apparently will not even have the same kind of access to things that angels have. Therefore, it stands to reason that envy should still be a possibility.

My number one 'concern' is eternal boredom.

[Blake]

Not from our perspective...

What I meant to say in my response was that (I didn't make it clear enough)...

Giving mankind free-will was a 'risk vs. reward' proposition from GOD's point of view.

The Risk was that we wouldn't love Him...
The Reward was that we would, out of our own volition...

so free will is gone when we reach Heaven.

[Blake]

So, some laws/punishments that God/the Bible provided are no longer acceptable?

it's either all or nothing.

when religious people argue against sexuality and try to use OT verses and laws, they fail.

[Blake]

So, to answer your question, the laws still exist (although our understanding of their intent was clarified through Jesus) but the punishments are forgiven.

really? all the laws exist? it's not hard to rattle off some of the crazy laws of the OT.

[I Love Me Some Me]

really? all the laws exist? it's not hard to rattle off some of the crazy laws of the OT.

I'm your huckleberry.

[z0sa]

this may be one of the dumbest questions I have ever read and will ever read in my entire life and my eventually eternal damnation.

that's impossible, considering it wasn't a question.
hey, allah and jesus are bull and have been for 1500 years, right?
but scientists still basing their research off a 150 year old theory is nothing to scoff about, huh?

wait, what is a theory? do christians have this theory that if you believe in jesus, you will go to heaven when you die?

you don't have to be religious to be a blind follower still.

[Blake]

I'm your huckleberry.

"Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material," Lev. 19:19

"A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing," Deut. 22:5

"Suppose a man enters into marriage with a woman, but she does not please him because he finds something objectionable about her, and so he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house; she then leaves his house and goes off to become another man’s wife." Deut. 24:1-2


Ive got more......just ask.

[Blake]

that's impossible, considering it wasn't a question.
hey, allah and jesus are bull and have been for 1500 years, right?
but scientists still basing their research off a 150 year old theory is nothing to scoff about, huh?

wait, what is a theory? do christians have this theory that if you believe in jesus, you will go to heaven when you die?

you don't have to be religious to be a blind follower still.

are you seriously trying to compare a scientific theory to a religious theory?

[E20]

not really. There are inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible and I'm personally looking for answers.

If you choose to not bother with contradictions and inconsistencies and just chalk it up to God being God, then good for you, move along.

Too bad I'm not Christian and I don't care about the inconstiences/contradictions in the bible (I've heard there are contradicitions, but I've never bothered to look for them), but I'm sure if you ask a biblical scholar rather than some internet posters you would get an answer from an authorative source who has some background in the field. So if you're personally looking for answers start there lol not at a spurs message board.

[z0sa]

"Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material," Lev. 19:19

Leviticus was written by the rabbi/priesthood about the many laws concerning worshipping the Lord - I'm 90% sure this only applies to the priesthood.

"A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing," Deut. 22:5

The verse is subjective. A woman wearing pants isn't considered to be wearing a man's clothing nowadays, for example.

"Suppose a man enters into marriage with a woman, but she does not please him because he finds something objectionable about her, and so he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house; she then leaves his house and goes off to become another man’s wife." Deut. 24:1-2

this is life today, except the govt's law plays its role due to legalities and taxes - which is ordained in the NT (to follow the rules of your govt and your leaders, as long as it doesn't go against God's law)

[z0sa]

are you seriously trying to compare a scientific theory to a religious theory?

they both feed you bull , whether you want to accept it or not.

[Blake]

Too bad I'm not Christian and I don't care about the inconstiences/contradictions in the bible (I've heard their are contradicitions, but I've never bothered to look for them),

you don't care enough to take the time to post in this thread and make your opinion known. good job.

but I'm sure if you ask a biblical scholar rather than some internet posters you would get an answer from an authorative source who has some background in the field. So if you're personally looking for answers start there lol not at a spurs message board.

No, this is my universal source for information.

You're assuming that I haven't talked to anyone outside of the internet and you are assuming that posters on this board have no background in the field.

I'll assume you're a moron.

[Blake]

they both feed you bull , whether you want to accept it or not.

wow.

you are a officially a moron.

[DarkReign]

[Blake]

Leviticus was written by the rabbi/priesthood about the many laws concerning worshipping the Lord - I'm 90% sure this only applies to the priesthood.

so rabbis/priests today adhere to this law?

The verse is subjective. A woman wearing pants isn't considered to be wearing a man's clothing nowadays, for example.

women never wear men's t-shirts?

It sucks that Bible verses are subjective.

this is life today, except the govt's law plays its role due to legalities and taxes - which is ordained in the NT (to follow the rules of your govt and your leaders, as long as it doesn't go against God's law)

so a man divorcing his wife for whatever reason he wants is ok?

..and does the same law apply for a woman wishing to divorce her husband?

[E20]

you don't care enough to take the time to post in this thread and make your opinion known. good job.



No, this is my universal source for information.

You're assuming that I haven't talked to anyone outside of the internet and you are assuming that posters on this board have no background in the field.

I'll assume you're a moron.

I cared enough about the subject of God, not a particluar religon, to make my opnion known. good job on infering something wrong. moron

You can tell if posters are adept at scripture and know the history and context of christian texts and theology to a degree matched by scholars? lol

Don't go looking for grade A answers on a sports message board. lol

[z0sa]

wow.

you are a officially a moron.

yeah okay :

No, this is my universal source for information.

you're a moron by your own confession. Everyone knows you're only trolling this thread.