Tony Parkers trade value

[ducks]

we don't WANT to trade him, but you have to be realistic and sober when you're trying to build a team. and sometimes it means trading a player with high value for a piece you need to get to the top level.

already posted once duncan retires
if spurs can not get 2 other stars with him
you trade him for 2-3 young Proven stars

BUT NOT NOW

[sexinthatsx]

There is no way Memphis would do this. They are rebuilding and TP is not going to elevate them to a contender if you give those 3 away. If the Spurs think it is better to build around Mayo, why wouldn't Memphis?

The only teams that the Spurs big 3 helps (for trading purposes) are teams on the cusp of being contenders.

With the exception of TP who you could build around to a certain degree, but even then it would take a situation where you get a top 5 pick in a deep draft class along with talent in order for it to make any sense. Trading TP is not a realistic option imo, but if you got a a ridiculous offer, then from a business standpoint, everyone is on the table.

After the stupid grizzles traded away pau gasol for a few scrubs and a bag of chips, I think anything's possible now.

[VI_Massive]

You would have to think about Parker for Paul? Chris Paul is 24 tommorow. Parker is 27 later this month. CP3 is already the more talented of the 2 and is not even close to his prime yet.

Would have agreed with this until he folded in the Denver series. I know NO couldn't win that series, but Paul either quit, got owned, or a combination of the two. Compare his performance to Deron Williams, who was in an equally bleak situation against LA. His team didn't win, but D-Will fought and played a pretty good series. Paul did not give a performance worthy of someone supposed to be an elite player.

[peskypesky]

Would have agreed with this until he folded in the Denver series. I know NO couldn't win that series, but Paul either quit, got owned, or a combination of the two. Compare his performance to Deron Williams, who was in an equally bleak situation against LA. His team didn't win, but D-Will fought and played a pretty good series. Paul did not give a performance worthy of someone supposed to be an elite player.

hmmm

he averaged nearly 17pts, 10.5 assists and 4.5 rebounds

not too shabby. and if he does that well when he's having a bad series, then imagine when he's having a good one.

[VI_Massive]

hmmm

he averaged nearly 17pts, 10.5 assists and 4.5 rebounds

not too shabby. and if he does that well when he's having a bad series, then imagine when he's having a good one.

His stats were ok, but this is one of those situations where the stats don't tell the story. he gave up and let his team give up. their performance against denver was a disgrace. if you're supposed to be one of the best players in the league and a leader at the "leader" position (pg) on the court, you can't let that happen.

I'm not saying the guy isn't a great player, he surely is. But if you're talking about a team-changing trade, you have to take these things into account.

[peskypesky]

His stats were ok, but this is one of those situations where the stats don't tell the story. he gave up and let his team give up. their performance against denver was a disgrace. if you're supposed to be one of the best players in the league and a leader at the "leader" position (pg) on the court, you can't let that happen.

I'm not saying the guy isn't a great player, he surely is. But if you're talking about a team-changing trade, you have to take these things into account.

well, since the Spurs got bounced in an embarrassing manner, I guess Parker is lame too.

[VI_Massive]

well, since the Spurs got bounced in an embarrassing manner, I guess Parker is lame too.

The numbers don't always tell the story. If you watched those two series, SA played hard but was simply outmatched without Manu and Timmy on one leg and no one else stepping up whereas New Orleans just gave up. , they lost by 58 points AT HOME. Yeah, SA got beat badly in their series, but not because its best players gave up.

[Mr. Body]

I'd trade Parker for Chris Paul in a heartbe-

[superjames1992]

We aren't trading away Manu, Timmy, or Tony, so let's just forget about it. Unless we can get Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol from the Lakers in exchange for him (I know that won't happen), there's no way I'm trading any of them away. They and Bruce Bowen are the only common players that have been here for the last three les, so why would we let any of them go?

[twilo73]

The more I think about it the more I like this trade... which is btw doable per Trade Checker:
To San Antonio:
Harris
Lopez
Nejara
NJ's 1st round pick this year

To NJ:
Parker
Our three 2nd round picks
We can add Ian to close the deal.

Then we use our MLE to pick up a good SF, and obviously draft someone who will be a good backup and a starter in the future.

Why does NJ do it? First they lower their salary obligations for 2010 and with Parker it makes it more appeling for Lebron, Wade, or others to come to NJ in 2010.

Why we do it? We suround Duncan and Manu with real players to make two or three more runs at a ring. Plus once Duncan retires we have a base to build on.

Our team:

Harris/Hill
Mason/Manu
MLE/Draft
Duncan/Gooden and Nejara
Lopez/Would love to bring in Spliter but doubt it, so Nejara, Gooden, or Thomas would have to slide in here.

I would do everything in my power to drop Bowen, Oberto, Booner and maybe Finley. So we can trade some expiring contracts for a good backup.

Any ideas for the MLE player? Also if Portland is truly looking to trade Rudy as another thread suggests what can we offer them?

[DPG21920]

TP is not a real player?

[Mel_13]

The more I think about it the more I like this trade... which is btw doable per Trade Checker:
To San Antonio:
Harris
Lopez
Nejara
NJ's 1st round pick this year

To NJ:
Parker
Our three 2nd round picks
We can add Ian to close the deal.


Why does NJ do it? First they lower their salary obligations for 2010

This trade actually increases their 2010 obligations slightly.

I also don't think that NJ gives up Lopez to make the upgrade from Harris to Parker.

[chreph]

I thought I heard that NJ wanted Manu thrown into the VC deal and they would add Lopez. I love Manu but that made TOO much sense... I was really disappointed the Spurs did not pull that trigger. In hindsight, I'm even more disappointed

Parker
VC
whoever
Duncan
Lopez

[DPG21920]

I thought I heard that NJ wanted Manu thrown into the VC deal and they would add Lopez. I love Manu but that made TOO much sense... I was really disappointed the Spurs did not pull that trigger. In hindsight, I'm even more disappointed

Parker
VC
whoever
Duncan
Lopez

I highly doubt that is true and I have seen no sources imply that deal was ever on the table.

[twilo73]

This trade actually increases their 2010 obligations slightly.

I also don't think that NJ gives up Lopez to make the upgrade from Harris to Parker.

That's actually not true. Harris will have a $7.8 MM contract this year and has 10.5% increases for 5 years. That would make his salary $9.5 in 2010 add to that Nejara's 2.8 and Lopez' 2.4 and you get $14.7 for 2010. Parker will be at $13.5 that summer, which means $1.2 less... and add to that one less guaranteed draftee contract and they would save some money. Not a whole lot but some.

My source: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....ca055365.html

[chreph]

I highly doubt that is true and I have seen no sources imply that deal was ever on the table.

I went back and searched but all I could find is people saying that was the counter offer but they don't remember what site they saw it on so you're probably right. Someone posted that it was VC/Lopez/scrub for Manu/Bonner/Hill/filler... pipe dream I guess

[chreph]

"Devin, along with Josh [Howard], those guys will carry the baton for us into the future," president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said.

[Mel_13]

That's actually not true. Harris will have a $7.8 MM contract this year and has 10.5% increases for 5 years. That would make his salary $9.5 in 2010 add to that Nejara's 2.8 and Lopez' 2.4 and you get $14.7 for 2010. Parker will be at $13.5 that summer, which means $1.2 less... and add to that one less guaranteed draftee contract and they would save some money. Not a whole lot but some.

My source: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....ca055365.html

I use the numbers on shamsports, but they are about the same.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...aries/nets.jsp

You do have to add two minimum contracts to Tony's salary to account for the roster spots vacated by Lopez and Najera which makes the 1.2M all but disappear. I get a cap increase of about 300K.

Either way, it wouldn't be a factor for NJ.

[twilo73]

I went back and searched but all I could find is people saying that was the counter offer but they don't remember what site they saw it on so you're probably right. Someone posted that it was VC/Lopez/scrub for Manu/Bonner/Hill/filler... pipe dream I guess

It's not really such a pipe dream... especially if NJ really wants to be under the cap in 2010. Adding Lopez to the deal does make it hard, but not impossible as the Spurs need some sort of bonus to do the deal.

Now I worked the numbers and we don't necessarily need to add Manu to the deal. If NJ wants younger guys we could do something like Hill, Mason (although I'm not sure his value is as high as it was last year), Bonner, Thomas, and Oberto. We would add some picks to make it more interesting... say one protected 1st and a couple of 2nds.

Would they go for it?

Our team would be:
Parker/FA
Carter/Manu
MLE/Bowen or Finley
Duncan/Ian
Lopez/FA or Spliter if we are lucky.

Amazing team if you ask me.

[portnoy1]

So no defense and that team could score like 70 ppg.
Seriously, take a look at the Cavs, the Lakers, the Rockets, the Nuggets, the Celtics...

Finley
Mensah- bonsuh
Gist never played 1 NBA game
Bowen is old.
Mason was awful in playoffs.

You understand that there is absolutely no chance that the Spurs trade Parker.
And imagine they trade him to Toronto and then Toronto make a deal with the Celtics, the Lakers or the Cavs.
Then what ?
"Championship 5 baby" against a line-up of TP + Kobe + Pau + Bynum + Odom... (or TP + Allen + Pierce + KG...)

Greaaaaat idea !!!

We would have a better offense because of better ball movement. Our defense would be better because we have younger more athletic players in POPs system. Suppose the lakers trade for parker which is expected, parker wouldnt be nearly as brilliant with them. the point guard position for fill jackson always requires a jumpshooter as point guard for the triangle to work. bulls ( john paxson / steve kerr / ron harper ) lakers ( ron harper / derek fisher ) lets not forget what happen the last time the lakers had a premier point guard ( gary payton ) things were difficult for him, especially since he didnt get alot of touches. Kobe on the lakers has the ball more than manu on the spurs. So parkers opportunities would be limited. The Celtics are not going to give up rondo who runs a solid offense for parker who is more of a scoring guard. and if they get him he'll be backing up Rondo just like marbury the once premier point guard is. its all about team play together.

[portnoy1]

Pf - Duncan / Gist / Bonner
Sf - Finley / Bowen / Hairston
C - Bargnani / Mensah Bonsuh / Thomas
Pg - Calderon / Hill
Sg - Mason / Manu
Championship 5

[Brazil]

lol lol and lol at all these trade parker bs. At short term there is no hope at all to win a 5th w/o tim and tp whatever the scenario you can build

[timaios]

Pf - Duncan / Gist / Bonner
Sf - Finley / Bowen / Hairston
C - Bargnani / Mensah Bonsuh / Thomas
Pg - Calderon / Hill
Sg - Mason / Manu
Championship 5

[portnoy1]

So no defense and that team could score like 70 ppg.
Seriously, take a look at the Cavs, the Lakers, the Rockets, the Nuggets, the Celtics...

Finley
Mensah- bonsuh
Gist never played 1 NBA game
Bowen is old.
Mason was awful in playoffs.

You understand that there is absolutely no chance that the Spurs trade Parker.
And imagine they trade him to Toronto and then Toronto make a deal with the Celtics, the Lakers or the Cavs.
Then what ?
"Championship 5 baby" against a line-up of TP + Kobe + Pau + Bynum + Odom... (or TP + Allen + Pierce + KG...)

Greaaaaat idea !!!

do you have a better plan? if so im all ears. Im a resonable guy. show me what ya got.

[superjames1992]

lol lol and lol at all these trade parker bs. At short term there is no hope at all to win a 5th w/o tim and tp whatever the scenario you can build

Or Manu. Trading anyone of them away is very stupid IMO unless you get LeBron or Kobe in return ... and we know that's not going to happen!