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In Dunleavy's defense, Kaman made some pretty bad plays down the stretch of that Cleveland game. He almost singlehandledy blew about a ten point lead with a couple minutes left. Like trying to pass through a crowded lane, right to the other team ala the famous Swen Nater pass in the 70's.
Frankly, Kaman has regressed over the years and he was never that great to start with. People on this board use the term low basketball IQ when describing a big man's failure to make the rotation, driving Pop crazy. Kaman's low BBIQ is off the charts. And his constantly gaping mouth makes Hedo Turkoglu look like the picture of decorum.
His injuries? Maybe just "Clipperitis?" Sure, but there are more problems there than even being a Clipper can explain.
I'd have to pass on him if I'm the Spurs
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Well, if all this is true, then I would hope the Spurs wouldn't be interested either. I doubt they are with his current contract anyways. That's a lot of money to dish out for someone you aren't totally confident in. Then again... the Spurs did sign Rasho long term at one time.
If the Clippers are really looking to dump salary, then something like this could work:
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L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -0.7 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming PlayersMatt Bonner
6-8 PF from Florida
8.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.8 minutesFabricio Oberto
6-10 PF / C from Argentina (Foreign)
2.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutesBruce Bowen
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
2.7 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.8 minutes Outgoing PlayersMardy Collins
6-6 SG from Temple
2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 8.3 minutesChris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
12.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.7 minutes
San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.7 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and 0.0 apg.
Incoming Players
6-6 SG from Temple
2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 8.3 minutes
7-0 C from Central Michigan
12.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 29.7 minutes Outgoing Players
6-8 PF from Florida
8.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.8 minutes
6-10 PF / C from Argentina (Foreign)
2.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.3 minutes
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
2.7 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5
But it would definitely be a risk since Kaman appears to be injury-prone and has three years left on a contract that gets him between 10 and 12 mio. $ per year.
^ Well, as timvp said earlier in this thread, keeping Bonner and trading Thomas is the most logical choice is you do a trade for Kaman.
If the plan is to do another trade to get a SF, you trade Kaman for Thomas + Bowen or Oberto.
If the plan is to use the MLE to get a SF, you trade Kaman for Thomas + Bowen + Oberto.
If this trades aren't enough, Spurs can add some cash and/or future pick(s).
Yeah - there was an article in ESPN mag about it a couple years back.
Well, I agree that it would make sense to keep Bonner if we're trading for Kaman.
But Thomas + Bowen/Oberto doesn't work salary-wise. So, as you said, Bruno, we would have to add a draft pick.
the Clippers have better offers for Kaman than what we can offer.
No, it works salary-wise.
Kaman for Thomas + bowen or Thomas + Oberto or Thomas + Oberto + Bowen all works salary wise. You can check that with espn trade machine.
I think ESPN trade machine is still using 08-09 numbers rather than 09-10.
Using hoopshype, I found Thomas+Bowen to equal $7,800,000. 125% of that is $9,750,000, yet Kaman's salary will be $10,400,000 next year.
IF you trade him before July 1st, numbers that matters are the 08-09 ones.
BTW, something that hasn't been said is that Kaman has a big trade kicker ($4M) attached to his contract.
How does that necessarily work?
If Kaman is traded to SA, Spurs will have to give him $4M within 30 days after the trade.
Therefore this trade impossible.
Yes, Kaman won't cost $33.9 for 3 years but $37.9M for 3 years.
There is also a CBA rule saying that a player can agree to waive a part of his trade kicker if it is the only way to make the trade works salary-wise (trade kicker counts during trades when you had to match salaries).
Kaman trade kicker will increase his yearly salary by $1M is if his trade before July 1st and by $1.33M if he is traded after July 1st.
If Spurs trade Thomas+Oberto for Kaman, the max they can take back in salaries is $9.85M. Kaman salary is $9.5M. He can agreed to reduce his trade kicker to $1.4M ($350K*4) to make the trade work.
Sorry, you're right. I made a mistake earlier with the realgm trade-checker.
And thanks for the info on the trade kicker. That is really nasty.
Thanks for the in depth analysis once again Bruno.
Thanks for the info.
Does Marcus Williams have any kind of non-guaranteed contract for 2009-10 that can be used if a few thousand dollars is needed in a trade?
Wow, he misdiagnosed! ....and was taking ritalin since age three?? When he didn't need to???
I'd be pissed!
Anyway, I think Kaman seems like a cool dude. I liked his answer when he got violated by Reggie Evans... "He grabbed my nuts... "
Seems like a laid back guy.
He'd probably fit in with the Timmy easily. I think I remember reading somewhere that they get along whenever the Spurs play the Clippers.
Marcus Williams is under contract with Spurs for 09-10. I don't know the specifics on how is contract is guaranteed. However, the most likely case is that is contract is almost fully or even fully non-guaranteed until the end of the summer league.
Marcus Williams can't also be traded in a draft day trade. He has signed a contract with Spurs on April 8th . As the result, he can be traded only after July 8th.
I'm a big Kaman fan and I think he could really thrive on a good team. He's been with the Clippers for a few years now with only a brief stint in the playoffs and it appears (from the outside) that he's ready to move.
I'm not entirely sure that it would be Pop's favoured move, but it's an interesting proposition.
if i remember correctly, there was a report on a failed attempt by the clippers to salary dump kaman. the trade rumor was kidd's expiring contract for kaman + davis. there's a pretty good chance clippers are still looking for a buyer.
for those who want to trade thomas over bonner, i still think the spurs should keep thomas as insurance. getting rid of bonner would lose his 3 pt shooting but what good does that do if he regresses to 2007-08 bonner or 2009 playoffs bonner? a solid veteran big on the bench is better, especially as the spurs are in the process of infusing youth. kaman, pre-injury, was a deceptively quick player for a guy his size. also, hopefully at least one of the spurs' young bigs will make the team. mahinmi and gist would provide mobility.
Bump.
Does the fact that the Clippers won the draft lottery make a trade of Kaman or Randolph significantly more imminent?
If I were Clippers GM, I would keep Kaman to pair him with Griffin.
Trading Randolph would be my priority and if I can't trade him, I would trade Camby and keep Randolph for the two years remaining on his contract.
Saying that, it's just my opinion.
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