Props to Carmelo

[j-money24]

Again, Kobe is a clutch shooter, he's just not the BEST shooter when it comes to hitting a game-winner.

In the years before, like from 2004 to like 2007 or 2008,Kobe tends to still shoot the game-winner even when he is double teamed or triple teamed, i use to see a lot of times where their is no way Kobe would make the shot when like multiple defenders are all over him but he still shoots it because he never use to trust his teammates when he had a bad team in those 3 seasons. But this season, Kobe has changed which is why i think he is leading the league in clutch time because when he is doubled, he always passes it to the open guy like Ariza, Fisher and others who have made made game-winner shots because of Kobe, but when he's not doubled, he kills his defender and makes the game-winner.

[Killakobe81]

I agree Duncan is more clutch problem is post play difficult to execute in game winning or tying situations
And i edit that list until he does it this year Duncan should be ahead of Lebron ...Duncan has the Phoenix shot, the Detroit tip-in and the fading jumper over shaq BEFORE Dfish's shot plus he murdered the league in the playoffs in the 99 post -season BUT for one last shot/play I take Manu over duncan ...

[DAF86]

I agree Duncan is more clutch problem is post play difficult to execute in game winning or tying situations
And i edit that list until he does it this year Duncan should be ahead of Lebron ...Duncan has the Phoenix shot, the Detroit tip-in and the fading jumper over shaq BEFORE Dfish's shot plus he murdered the league in the playoffs in the 99 post -season BUT for one last shot/play I take Manu over duncan ...

Tim missed that.

[timvp]

I can't remember many game-winning shots (made or took) by Manu with the Spurs. The ones I remember are:

Made: Timberwolves, Milwaukee, Memphis and Phoenix last season.

Missed: New Jersey in the 2003 finals and the lay-up against Detroit in 2005 where Duncan then had the tip-in to win it in game 5.

For a "closer" Manu doesn't have a lot of last second shots taken.

It's always easier to remember the makes. Manu had the missed layup after The Foul, for one.

I looked it up and Manu is 6-for-21 on game-winners. Parker is 6-for-16

[DAF86]

It's always easier to remember the makes. Manu had the missed layup after The Foul, for one.

I looked it up and Manu is 6-for-21 on game-winners. Parker is 6-for-16

I need to come clean, I didn't watch that game, that's why I didn't remember that The game wasn't aired here in Argentina and my Internet connection went off for some reason, I can't express with words the rage I was feeling at that moment.

[timvp]

You, sir, are one lucky man. That game will always haunt because of the cakewalk to the championship that lied ahead.

The Amare-less Suns and the Heat?!?!!?1?!?!?!

[DAF86]

You, sir, are one lucky man. That game will always haunt because of the cakewalk to the championship that lied ahead.

The Amare-less Suns and the Heat?!?!!?1?!?!?!

I may not be here today if it wasn't for my ty Internet connection. I'm pretty sure I'd have had a stroke after Manu's foul on Dirk.

[duncan228]

I may not be here today if it wasn't for my ty Internet connection. I'm pretty sure I'd have had a stroke after Manu's foul on Dirk.

We're lucky the site is still here. SpursTalk had a stroke after that foul.

[DAF86]

We're lucky the site is still here. SpursTalk had a stroke after that foul.

I don't even want to imagine the things that were said in this site during that time.

[Ice009]

Manu is another example of an extremely clutch player who isn't very good at game-winning shots. IIRC, he's sub-20% in the last handful of years. Again, great clutch player ... but when it comes to one shot to win the game, I'd take Tim Duncan over him any day of the week. Not even close.

Yeah well I've wanted Tim to take more game winners the last couple of seasons myself. Why doesn't he get the ball anymore on the last possession Timvp? What is the reason for it?

I'm pretty sure I read years ago, maybe it was 2003 or something that Jordan said at the end of the game he'd take Kobe to shoot at number 1 and TD at number 2. He said since Kobe is a guard it is hard to double team him and he can get any shot he wants. He also said that Tim can get any shot he wants too, but with a big man you can double team him and take him out of the game a little bit. Again don't take this as 100% accurate as I don't remember where I read it to validate it.

[VI_Massive]

but when it comes to one shot to win the game, I'd take Tim Duncan over him any day of the week. Not even close.

Problem with taking Timmy: like almost all bigs, he's an easy foul target because he's unreliable at the line.

And with regards to all the Team USA talk, IIRC, wasn't it D-Wade who carried Team USA down the stretch of that Spain game?

[Obstructed_View]

And with regards to all the Team USA talk, IIRC, wasn't it D-Wade who carried Team USA down the stretch of that Spain game?

Shh. Don't bring facts into it. Kobe's the most cluchablest player ever. Go Mamba!

[Killakobe81]

Yeah well I've wanted Tim to take more game winners the last couple of seasons myself. Why doesn't he get the ball anymore on the last possession Timvp? What is the reason for it?

I'm pretty sure I read years ago, maybe it was 2003 or something that Jordan said at the end of the game he'd take Kobe to shoot at number 1 and TD at number 2. He said since Kobe is a guard it is hard to double team him and he can get any shot he wants. He also said that Tim can get any shot he wants too, but with a big man you can double team him and take him out of the game a little bit. Again don't take this as 100% accurate as I don't remember where I read it to validate it.

I read this somewhere as well and that was my point MJ knows more than the folks here so i gues I do too.Not being a homer but you take theproven player not the stat guy ...2 points here
In baseball Im sure there are guys that have better clutch stast then Jeter. Pedroia and Rollins may have better NUMBERS ...but if it was 9th inning 7 game of a WS I want Jeter at the plate. Numbers dont mean ish that guy has big balls and has done it more than anyone else ...last few years he has not done so well in the ALDS but if my season depended on it ...I take Jeter. Just like in NFL i take brady even though numbers may point to ben or Eli

Last point here Big Baby is 100% on game winners in the playoffs yet I could live with him shooting over ray or Pierce. Who did Doc design the play for ? pierce cus hez proven but numbers would say allen or now ...Davis stats can be manipulated and never tell the whole story

[Killakobe81]

Shh. Don't bring facts into it. Kobe's the most cluchablest player ever. Go Mamba!

again foolish talk because TimVP's original point was last second shots read more closely ...

You say Lakers fans are blind go to lakersground plenty dislike Kobe, especiallythe Shaq lovers ...

But you let your hatred for kobe blind you as well ...

[Ice009]

I read this somewhere as well and that was my point MJ knows more than the folks here so i gues I do too.Not being a homer but you take theproven player not the stat guy ...2 points here
In baseball Im sure there are guys that have better clutch stast then Jeter. Pedroia and Rollins may have better NUMBERS ...but if it was 9th inning 7 game of a WS I want Jeter at the plate. Numbers dont mean ish that guy has big balls and has done it more than anyone else ...last few years he has not done so well in the ALDS but if my season depended on it ...I take Jeter. Just like in NFL i take brady even though numbers may point to ben or Eli

Last point here Big Baby is 100% on game winners in the playoffs yet I could live with him shooting over ray or Pierce. Who did Doc design the play for ? pierce cus hez proven but numbers would say allen or now ...Davis stats can be manipulated and never tell the whole story

Good to see someone else read it too.

I pretty much agreed with what MJ said as he explained it very well.

Personally if it was me calling the plays I would give the ball to Tim a lot more on last possession plays to win the game.

[VI_Massive]

Personally if it was me calling the plays I would give the ball to Tim a lot more on last possession plays to win the game.

I just don't see how you can call plays like that for a guy who doesn't shoot well from the line. Its the only flaw in his game.

[Ice009]

I just don't see how you can call plays like that for a guy who doesn't shoot well from the line. Its the only flaw in his game.

I understand what you are saying, but I still think TD is a better bet than most.

I'd rather Tim shoot than Bonner or Finley.

[VI_Massive]

I understand what you are saying, but I still think TD is a better bet than most.

I'd rather Tim shoot than Bonner or Finley.

Hey, Finley has hit some big clutch shots for SA. Most recently the last regular season game vs. NO. I don't think that's the part of his game most SA fans have a problem with.....

[Cry Havoc]

Exactly!! he has been clutch since college

You mean he's been clutch since high school, when he purposely played at half speed to let his team falter and get down big in the first half so he could lead them to a huge comeback win by the end of the game.

Also, Kobe's so clutch that his just just got dismantled by a Yaoless, T-Macless Rockets team. Wow. Now that's clutch!

[Obstructed_View]

again foolish talk because TimVP's original point was last second shots read more closely ...

You say Lakers fans are blind go to lakersground plenty dislike Kobe, especiallythe Shaq lovers ...

But you let your hatred for kobe blind you as well ...

No, I don't let my love for Kobe blind me. He's a great player, but he's not outstandingly clutch, he's not a great leader, he didn't carry the Olympic team, and he's not the best finisher in the game. A lot of folks like to make him out to be Jordan, but not for any other reason than the team he plays for. Case in point: You, who didn't even seem to know that Kobe went to the NBA right from high school (where he did in fact set up scenarios in the games so he could be the hero.)