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Not really. His stats have barely changed. Not to mention he was part of the Denver team that got swept by the Lakers last year.
Billups is making everyone look better in Denver right now.
No, SJAX is not worse. And Manu gets the ball at end of games for a reason.
Again, are you going to deny that JR Smith handed us a playoff series in '07?
So much as Karl having to sit his ass and tell him he disrespected the game of basketball?
Furthermore, this is a guy that spits on women, and have killed a person driving recklessly. WTF ducks? Do you know who you're talking about?
Not really. His stats have barely changed. Not to mention he was part of the Denver team that got swept by the Lakers last year.
Billups is making everyone look better in Denver right now.
ducks is a dumbass
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...seasonType%3d3
Playoffs 2009
Hollinger Playoff Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions
RNK Player GP Min TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER VA EWA
1 LeBron James, CLE 8 39.3 .644 19.9 4.8 31.8 4.0 26.5 16.0 41.61 145.8 4.9
2 Tony Parker, SAS 5 36.2 .588 19.2 11.9 35.2 0.6 14.1 7.0 29.35 49.6 1.7
3 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 10 39.4 .635 11.7 8.7 24.4 3.9 26.6 15.8 28.35 99.1 3.3
4 Tim Duncan, SAS 5 32.8 .554 14.2 6.2 25.7 8.5 21.8 14.8 27.31 40.9 1.4
5 Chauncey Billups, DEN 10 37.5 .716 29.9 7.0 20.1 1.0 11.5 6.2 26.96 89.3 3.0
6 Dwight Howard, ORL 11 38.2 .628 6.4 13.2 19.9 15.6 38.5 26.8 26.69 100.8 3.4
7 Carmelo Anthony, DEN 10 37.9 .576 14.5 6.7 27.3 5.5 15.3 10.4 26.40 89.9 3.0
8 Dwyane Wade, MIA 7 40.7 .565 15.3 10.3 32.6 1.9 12.8 7.8 26.34 67.4 2.2
9 Brandon Roy, POR 6 39.7 .562 9.9 7.5 28.5 2.9 13.3 7.7 25.90 54.7 1.8
10 Kobe Bryant, LAL 11 39.6 .553 13.5 8.0 29.1 1.9 11.9 6.9 25.22 95.8 3.2
11 Brandon Bass, DAL 10 19.2 .638 8.3 4.7 16.4 8.7 17.2 13.1 22.75 32.2 1.1
12 Yao Ming, HOU 9 35.9 .634 6.1 11.5 17.7 7.3 28.0 18.1 21.62 53.1 1.8
13 Jermaine O'Neal, MIA 6 27.0 .615 10.7 11.9 20.6 5.9 14.5 10.5 21.55 26.5 0.9
14 Pau Gasol, LAL 11 38.7 .594 11.6 9.8 17.9 9.8 19.8 14.9 21.22 63.7 2.1
15 J.R. Smith, DEN 10 26.9 .610 14.6 7.6 22.1 2.3 13.3 7.8 20.91 41.8 1.4
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...seasonType%3d2
Regular Season 2008-09
Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions
RNK Player GP Min TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER VA EWA
1 LeBron James, CLE 81 37.7 .591 21.1 8.7 32.2 4.3 19.0 11.9 31.76 969.2 32.3
2 Dwyane Wade, MIA 79 38.6 .574 20.0 9.3 34.1 3.5 12.2 7.8 30.46 908.1 30.3
3 Chris Paul, NOR 78 38.5 .599 33.4 9.0 27.9 2.8 14.6 8.7 30.04 853.2 28.4
4 Dwight Howard, ORL 79 35.7 .600 6.6 14.1 23.0 13.8 29.5 21.8 25.44 624.8 20.8
5 Tim Duncan, SAS 75 33.6 .549 15.1 9.4 26.0 9.6 27.9 18.9 24.51 523.6 17.5
6 Kobe Bryant, LAL 82 36.1 .561 15.5 8.2 30.2 3.5 12.8 8.2 24.46 616.7 20.6
7 Brandon Roy, POR 78 37.2 .573 19.1 7.3 26.5 4.4 11.6 7.9 24.08 588.4 19.6
8 Tony Parker, SAS 72 34.1 .556 23.6 8.8 30.1 1.3 9.4 5.4 23.47 457.0 15.2
9 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 81 37.7 .564 8.9 7.1 27.3 3.3 22.1 12.8 23.20 532.4 17.7
10 Al Jefferson, MIN 50 36.7 .532 6.3 7.3 26.2 10.6 24.9 17.5 23.16 344.1 11.5
11 Manu Ginobili, SAS 44 26.8 .594 19.2 10.7 25.2 2.5 17.3 10.0 22.93 219.0 7.3
12 Yao Ming, HOU 77 33.6 .618 8.6 14.7 23.6 9.6 24.1 17.1 22.74 469.2 15.6
13 Shaquille O'Neal, PHO 75 30.0 .623 9.2 12.3 21.7 10.1 22.3 16.4 22.33 394.3 13.1
14 Pau Gasol, LAL 81 37.0 .617 16.9 9.4 19.3 10.0 19.3 14.7 22.31 497.3 16.6
15 Chris Bosh, TOR 77 38.0 .569 10.1 9.2 24.1 8.7 22.1 15.5 22.19 467.0 15.6
Don't expect ducks understand what you just posted...
I'd say Manu is among superstar company, Dr. ducks.
I don't see Prince, Birdman or JR Smith in that list...
Did Manu teabag your wife/gf? I don't get the hate for a guy that has played all out for 7 seasons and helped us win 3 championships. A guy that's still top 20 in the league.
Whatever dude.
I think it is a bit early to write off Manu. He played fine for a stretch early this year. In the Olympics, he was the leading scorer of any player on any team and looked great before the ankle gave out against team USA. Let's see what a good several months of rest and reconditioning can do for him. It was only last year that he was having a career year and led the team in scoring. Sure he might not get back quite to that level, but anything close and we will all be happy he is around.
Bottom line: he deserves a chance to go out better than this, and as a Spur if it works out for a contract extension.
jr smith is on the playoff listI don't see Prince, Birdman or JR Smith in that list...
this is not charity
he could have signed an extension but refuses to so he could play
He didn't refuse anything. Are you this slow? There was nothing out there for him to refuse.
He's not going to be a Spur. Get over it.jr smith is on the playoff list
truth hits these
people
they like to barrel their heads in the sand and pray manu can play in playoffs
so spurs front office should shop manu to see if they can get a player like him that can play 82 games and playoffs
yes he did
had he not played for his country
he would had signed his extension
I'm not giving up on Manu. Yes he has been very injury prone for a little over a year now but people forget that before that he was having the best season yet with the Spurs and was named All-NBA 3rd Team and 6MOY. He was even playing well before he found out about the hairline fracture. I heard some doctors and they said with rest he should be just fine next year (especially with the longer summer). I'd be more concerned if it was an injury where it was chronic and never going to go away. I think I'm more concerned about Tim's knees. Yes Manu might not be as good as he was in '05 and he probably is starting to go downhill but I still believe that he can bring all the intangibles and contribute some of what he's brought us all these years and has made him the fierce compe or that he is. Besides if we don't want him and want to get rid of him why would anyone else want him from us? I actually believe that all the rest and rehab he'll get this summer he'll come back and have a great year. After that it'll be interesting to see if the Spurs and Manu part ways. If all the former Spurs seem to torcher us imagine what Manu would do as the compe or that he is.
if smith is so uncoachable why would denver not trade him for manu?
Even if he can be reckless both on and off the court, they gave him an extension so obviously they feel he has upside and they're probably HOPING now that Chauncey will rub off on him in the long run in more ways than one....though it's not money in the bank IMO.
There was no extension. His agent and the Spurs were negotiating an extension. The Spurs stopped negotiating when he decided to go to the Olympics. There was nothing to sign.
The day the Spurs offer him an actual extension we can talk about him wanting to sign one.
JR Smith is not even a top 50 player in this league. I don't know why you have such a boner for the guy.
Here is a list that Solid D just posted of talent comparable to Manu.
Who do you realistically think we can get from this list?
Regular Season 2008-09
Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions
RNK Player GP Min TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER VA EWA
1 LeBron James, CLE 81 37.7 .591 21.1 8.7 32.2 4.3 19.0 11.9 31.76 969.2 32.3
2 Dwyane Wade, MIA 79 38.6 .574 20.0 9.3 34.1 3.5 12.2 7.8 30.46 908.1 30.3
3 Chris Paul, NOR 78 38.5 .599 33.4 9.0 27.9 2.8 14.6 8.7 30.04 853.2 28.4
4 Dwight Howard, ORL 79 35.7 .600 6.6 14.1 23.0 13.8 29.5 21.8 25.44 624.8 20.8
5 Tim Duncan, SAS 75 33.6 .549 15.1 9.4 26.0 9.6 27.9 18.9 24.51 523.6 17.5
6 Kobe Bryant, LAL 82 36.1 .561 15.5 8.2 30.2 3.5 12.8 8.2 24.46 616.7 20.6
7 Brandon Roy, POR 78 37.2 .573 19.1 7.3 26.5 4.4 11.6 7.9 24.08 588.4 19.6
8 Tony Parker, SAS 72 34.1 .556 23.6 8.8 30.1 1.3 9.4 5.4 23.47 457.0 15.2
9 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 81 37.7 .564 8.9 7.1 27.3 3.3 22.1 12.8 23.20 532.4 17.7
10 Al Jefferson, MIN 50 36.7 .532 6.3 7.3 26.2 10.6 24.9 17.5 23.16 344.1 11.5
11 Manu Ginobili, SAS 44 26.8 .594 19.2 10.7 25.2 2.5 17.3 10.0 22.93 219.0 7.3
12 Yao Ming, HOU 77 33.6 .618 8.6 14.7 23.6 9.6 24.1 17.1 22.74 469.2 15.6
13 Shaquille O'Neal, PHO 75 30.0 .623 9.2 12.3 21.7 10.1 22.3 16.4 22.33 394.3 13.1
14 Pau Gasol, LAL 81 37.0 .617 16.9 9.4 19.3 10.0 19.3 14.7 22.31 497.3 16.6
15 Chris Bosh, TOR 77 38.0 .569 10.1 9.2 24.1 8.7 22.1 15.5 22.19 467.0 15.6
Is seems some are still holding a grudge over Manu playing in the olympics. If you were part of that great Argentina team you probably would have done the same. Anyway that is over. This is not charity, Manu has to earn his money just like we all do. I think we can get him renewed for a cap friendly price and he will be a great asset for 3-5 more years. We might even get Duncan at a cut rate before he is done, imagine what type of team we might put together then, with our 3 plus a couple real contributors, minor stars perhaps even.
If the Spurs can exchange Manu for an equal or better player that is more likely to last a full season that would be fine.
But you still haven't answered the question.
Who is this player that can play as well as Manu did last year and would be available from his team in a trade for Manu?
His trade value is diminished due to his health status, with much of his value based on the size of his expiring contract. The value of that expiring contract will not decrease as we approach the trade deadline next season. Trading him now would be trading him while his value is low. Waiting can only increase that value. The Spurs will also have a much better idea as to Tim's capabilities going forward as the season progresses and will, therefore, be better able to assess the team's future needs.
There are tons of players that can play 82 games and playoffs. There's just very few players that give you what Manu does to get you closer to a championship.
Agreed. And if he turns out to be fine and healthy, then the Spurs can make a better decision as to wether trade his expiring, or offer an extension in their terms. If he isn't, then his value is not very different than right now.
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