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Trading Parker to help bring in multiple talented players isn't a horrible idea ... but@ Foye and the number six pick. That's about half as much as it would take for Pop to even answer the phone.
Perhaps, but I don't think you ever improve your team by trading a star for pieces. That's particularly true if you intend to send that star to a team in your own conference and solve that team's most significant problem with an elite answer.
You might be able to get a few nice pieces from Portland for Parker, but I don't think it's feasible to get true talent-for-talent value in such a deal (since any such deal wouldn't include Roy or Aldridge) and meanwhile, you leave Portland with a 3-star core that looks a lot like the core that won the Spurs 3 les from 2003 to 2007. Even in that scenario, whatever trade you've made likely leaves you to play catchup with Portland -- among others.
Trading Parker to help bring in multiple talented players isn't a horrible idea ... but
We've had this discussion elsewhere and I agree with you. If the Spurs believe that they can make a run at another championship, they must keep Parker. Only if they are ready for life after the Big 3 should any trade be contemplated. If they reached that point, they could get much more for Parker than the Minnesota package that Simmons proposes.
The fact he says "start the rebuilding process early" clearly shows he does not fully comprehend the Spurs situation.
Spurs are in win now mode and everyone knows it. If they were going to trade either TP or Manu, they would only even consider it if you got immediate = talent that they felt would improve the chances of winning a ring for Tim.
Just a terrible, poorly constructed opinion.
That is the other thing: any team that would want Parker to propel them into contention or into the playoffs, would have to give up too many pieces and it would make the trade stupid for them.
These types of trades only work when you are rebuilding and you get young franchise type players and depth in return. Which clearly, the Spurs are not trying to rebuild just yet. They are re-tooling, there is a difference.
Trading Tony Parker is Celtics homer Bill Simmon's dream of tearing apart small market teams that threaten the success of the bigger markets. Letting Tony leave would be a HUGE mistake. The Spurs need to be on the phone with the Clippers to see if they can finish off the deal to bring Camby to SA (especially if Rasheed Wallace is demanding $8 million a year this offseason). With Blake Griffin now in the mix, I'm sure somebody is the odd man out between Camby, Kaman and Randolph. Just depends on who the Clips really want to keep. , watch them pick Rubio and trade Baron...
Last edited by TFloss32; 05-20-2009 at 02:12 PM.
Foye and a #6 in this draft
Because of the immense talent likely hitting the market next summer, there will be teams lining up to GIVE AWAY good players with a couple more years left on their contracts. Guys like Richard Jefferson, Gerald Wallace, Boris Diaw, Vince Carter will practically be dealt for nothing.
So the Spurs can likely pick up one of those talents without giving up any of their big three and they can stay a relevant, championship-contending team for the next few years.
That'd be my plan anyways....
Personally, I think it's just a 60 second response, given without much thought since he's fielding 1000's of questions in his chat. I wouldn't read too much into the suggestion.
It would be like saying trade Rondo for Foye and the 6th pick and start rebuilding the Celtics early. Would he have said that?
I bag on Tony as much as anyone and even I think Simmons' trade idea is re ed. This is a terrible draft. Who at #6 is supposed to turn us into a contender? And Randy Foye? Are you serious?
What an atrocious offer.
If Simmons thinks if Pop/Buford or real NBA GMs would ever entertain such a lopsided deal, then I really do want him to be the T-Wolves GM, just to witness his rude awakening.
"But.. but.. why won't you do it? The trade works on ESPN's trade machine..."
Simmons has always undervalued Parker and has ripped him for years by the way. He doesn't think much of Tony at all and dislikes foreign players in general. I think Manu is the only foreign guy I've ever read him say nice things about and even with Manu he's ripped him for flopping and made tasteless kidnapping "jokes" about his family.
In addition to calling the Clips about Camby, I think the potential Vince Carter trade from February should be re-visited. If the Nets would take Hill OR Mason + expiring contracts, but not both, I would pull the trigger. Vince has a crappy at ude occasionally but the dude can score and he would give us some nasty, which we so desperately need (especially from the wing position). He's definitely not in the Nets' future and it appears they want to drop him ASAP.Foye and a #6 in this draft
Because of the immense talent likely hitting the market next summer, there will be teams lining up to GIVE AWAY good players with a couple more years left on their contracts. Guys like Richard Jefferson, Gerald Wallace, Boris Diaw, Vince Carter will practically be dealt for nothing.
So the Spurs can likely pick up one of those talents without giving up any of their big three and they can stay a relevant, championship-contending team for the next few years.
That'd be my plan anyways....
What is with people wanting to trade away the three players that gave us the rings? I don't get it!
Well, I guess you could arguably say that we could have won in 2003 without Parker as Speedy Claxton finished a lot of playoff games instead of Parker (including the game-clincher in the NBA Finals), but without Manu and definitely Timmy we could not have done it.
Camby is another one.
Point is...there are plenty of options the Spurs have to add an impact player without subtracting arguably their biggest one.
Foye kinda sucks.
There is no reason to knock Foye in order to prop up TP. Foye is a solid player that has had some really good stretches. TP for Foye is still absurd and I would not even do it for Foye + #1 draft pick this year if the Wolves had it.
I just said he kinda sucks. Fair production on a ty team isn't terribly impressive.
Hey, at least he did not suggest Barbosa + 14th pick.
I can see it now: "The Suns could pair TP with Nash and have the best of the PG world. The Spurs would get Barbosa who is a scoring machine and just as fast as TP so they don't lose much. Then they would get a player with the 14th they could build around. It is a win-win."
Last edited by DPG21920; 05-20-2009 at 03:52 PM.
I am praising him with a faint damn.
Stop it.
Since we're makin asinine suggestions Mr. Simmons, how about we trade Bonner to the Warriors for the #7 pick? Don Nelson gets another 3 pt shooter that's also a vetern big man (which they lack, they got tons of young players already) and the Spurs get a great pick this draft. Just a suggestion...haha
What kind of deal would you consider good for the spurs in a trading parker idea ?
Why not Parker for Foye and expirings? That's waay better than Scola for "air" from 2 summers ago!!! It's all relative.Trading Parker to help bring in multiple talented players isn't a horrible idea ... but
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