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    Eh, if the cars actually get that kind of mileage, there should be savings in the cost of gas over the life of the car to defray some of the up front cost. Once gas gets near four bucks a gallon again there will be less ing about this.

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    Hardcore environmental regulations are fantastic.

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    Raising CAFE standards is politically preferrable to the option which would really be more effective for what Obama is trying to accomplish: higher gas taxes.

    There is a popular myth out there that fuel-efficient vehicles could be readily available with no sacrifices to the consumer if not for some nefarious conspiracy between the automakers and the oil companies. So we indulge the myth by raising CAFE standards to force those evil companies to stop conspiring against us.

    Americans, if they can afford it, prefer enormous vehicles. A 300-lb obese man would much rather glide his slippery omentum into the wide seat of a Ford Expedition than try to wedge himself into a Corolla. If the CAFE standard is 36 mpg, but the fat man can still afford an Expedition, he is still going to want one, and one of these companies will find a loophole to get him his land tank. That's how we ended up with the SUV boom in the first place.

    Consumer behavior would have to change for Obama's plans to work. Price signals work -- that was proved last year. The President is telling the stupid populace they can have their cake and eat it too. Well, most of us will probably and moan when we find out it doesn't really work that way.

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    Hardcore environmental regulations are fantastic.

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    Worthless posts based on internet meme's are my forte

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    Worthless posts based on internet meme's are my forte

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    By the way, why not have a goal of some MPH per pound of vehicle weight? That makes more sense to me. I know they have different proposed standards per vehicle class (passenger car, light truck, SUV), but there is too much variability in vehicle weight for trucks and SUV's. Makes more sense to me to normalize the CAFE standard.

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    yay. i've always wanted this car


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    There is a popular myth out there that fuel-efficient vehicles could be readily available with no sacrifices to the consumer if not for some nefarious conspiracy between the automakers and the oil companies.
    I don't think there's a conspiracy. I think American automakers became lazy starting in the 1970s, began to make cars to make a huge profit margin on them, and never looked back until they realized that they're going out of business, and quickly. They were just too slow and stupid to realize that they had compe ion, and by the time they did, it was far ahead of them.

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    Instead of emissions standards why can't we just accept the truth that Americans don't want fuel efficient cars when gas is $2.00 per gallon? We just don't. Even when gas was $4.00 per gallon the Prius still had to be heavily incentive-laden, both from Toyota and the taxpayers, for people to buy them.
    It's like I said in another thread...people don't wants what's good for them...I'm gonna tell them and force them to do what's good for them.

    BTW...I'm a consumer looking for an extremely fuel effecient car. I don't have alot of money at all...but changing a car from 15k to 16k is a negligible amount to me.

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    Eh, if the cars actually get that kind of mileage, there should be savings in the cost of gas over the life of the car to defray some of the up front cost. Once gas gets near four bucks a gallon again there will be less ing about this.
    What about more expensive car insurance? When these cars have a less safe crash test, the insurance will cost more. Likely more than any gas savings.

    When I went from a Mercury Sable to a Z28, my insurance decreased by a couple hundred every six months. When I told the agent I though I would pay more, he showed informed me on how they base part of the cost on crash data. The Z28 has that really long crumple zone!

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    I think American automakers became lazy starting in the 1970s, began to make cars to make a huge profit margin on them, and never looked back until they realized that they're going out of business, and quickly. They were just too slow and stupid to realize that they had compe ion, and by the time they did, it was far ahead of them.
    bingo

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    What about more expensive car insurance? When these cars have a less safe crash test, the insurance will cost more. Likely more than any gas savings.
    Prove it.

    When I went from a Mercury Sable to a Z28, my insurance decreased by a couple hundred every six months. When I told the agent I though I would pay more, he showed informed me on how they base part of the cost on crash data. The Z28 has that really long crumple zone!
    So you had a little more money to finance your midlife crisis in bars and strip clubs.

    Kudos.

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    You're not worth the effort to conduct such a search. You're just a jackass. Ask various insurance agents from various companies.
    So you had a little more money to finance your midlife crisis in bars and strip clubs.

    Kudos.
    LOL... You don't know what you're talking about. I've always preferred sports cars.

    I had a Firebird that I traveled daily 130+ MPH back and forth from Gärtringen to Vaihingen. I lived in Gärtringen, Patch Barracks is in Vaihingen. When I left Germany, I sold the car and bought a sedan because I was afraid I would drive too fast on the freeway without thinking. After I adjusted to driving in the states again, I went back to a sports car.

    You are a never ending jackass. How do you live with yourself? Are you always proud to talk out your ass?

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    So you don't go to bars and strip clubs?

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    So you don't go to bars and strip clubs?
    Sometimes, but not regularly. Problem with the area I live is there are only five places within walking distance. Three of them are strip clubs. I don't like the other places.

    You have to know Portland. We have more strip clubs per capita than anywhere else in the USA, possible the world.

    There you are, a jackass again. This isn't about me. Why are you making it that way?

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    Sucker.

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    Should I remind you that it's your profile pic that's sucking off the invisible man?

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    Better get on the waiting list for one of these...


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    Should I remind you that it's your profile pic that's sucking off the invisible man?
    Your interpretation of the picture says more about you than me.

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    Your interpretation says more about you than me.
    But, it's still relative...

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    But, it's still relative...
    Not at all.

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    I'm afraid the word "...more...," in your post, made it so. Sorry.

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    Your interpretation of the picture says more about you than me.
    I mean, that could be saying his ability to interpret your actions accurately says more about his deductive skills than it does about you liking to suck .

    You know, says more about him than you...

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    I mean, that could be saying his ability to interpret your actions accurately says more about his deductive skills than it does about you liking to suck .

    You know, says more about him than you...
    Relatively speaking, you both have a great interest in guys sucking s.

    It says a lot about you.

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    Let me know when I can buy a vehicle like the Nike One:


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