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  1. #26
    Lakers, World Champions La Peace's Avatar
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    Who would you rather have in a game with your back against the wall? Bryant or James?
    Lebron 4th Quarter
    10:33 LeBron James misses driving layup
    8:33 LeBron James misses 25-foot three point jumper
    7:26 LeBron James misses free throw 1 of 2 83-91
    7:26 LeBron James makes free throw 2 of 2
    7:03 LeBron James backcourt
    3:50 LeBron James turnover
    2:44 LeBron James offensive foul (Mickael Pietrus draws the foul)
    2:44 LeBron James turnover
    2:20 LeBron James lost ball (Mickael Pietrus steals)
    1:05 LeBron James misses free throw 1 of 2
    1:05 Cleveland offensive rebound
    1:05 LeBron James makes free throw 2 of 2
    0:44 LeBron James defensive rebound
    0:21 LeBron James misses jumper


    Overtime:
    3:54 LeBron James bad pass
    2:28LeBron James lost ball (Dwight Howard steals)
    1:25LeBron James bad pass (Rafer Alston steals)
    0:16Dwight Howard blocks LeBron James's layup

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Do you think any Laker fans care that LBJ is putting up better stats than Kobe?

    that's precious kid.

    All we care about is for LAL to get a ring. I laugh at morons like you who are so utterly obsessed with Kobe that your entire life revolves around seeing him fail. You have low self-esteem baseline.
    Apparently they do, boy

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125690
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127386
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127338
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127357

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    hahaha if LA wins a le i cant wait to hear the excuses.."they only won because of Gasol" etc etc..If lebron loses it'll be "He doesnt have enough help"..they won 66 games i dont wanna hear sheeeeeeeeeet if they lose saturday

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    I'm a Spurs fan but I'm getting sick of that got's schtick too.

    For me it's about how my team does. I really don't care about any one players stats or legacy... Well OK I care about legacies, but the team always comes first.

    When I read that disgusting got freak baseline bum's inane bull about Kobe or LeBron, it just reminds me of some 12 year old Stone Cold Steve Austin fan talking on the Undertaker. He should go find a WWE forum, since he obviously likes the "good guy, bad guy" aspect of sports and not the game itself.
    Lebron had subway yesterday..Kobe had In-n-Out..Lebron is healthier then Kobe hahaha

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    I'm a Spurs fan but I'm getting sick of that got's schtick too.

    For me it's about how my team does. I really don't care about any one players stats or legacy... Well OK I care about legacies, but the team always comes first.

    When I read that disgusting got freak baseline bum's inane bull about Kobe or LeBron, it just reminds me of some 12 year old Stone Cold Steve Austin fan talking on the Undertaker. He should go find a WWE forum, since he obviously likes the "good guy, bad guy" aspect of sports and not the game itself.
    Funny you call me a when half your threads are about buttsex.

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    hahaha if LA wins a le i cant wait to hear the excuses.."they only won because of Gasol" etc etc..If lebron loses it'll be "He doesnt have enough help"..they won 66 games i dont wanna hear sheeeeeeeeeet if they lose saturday
    Please, you Laker fans cried about Kobe's supporting cast for years, including last season when you had the deepest team in the league.

  7. #32
    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Kobe in elimination games since becoming option #1 in LA:

    Since taking over as alpha-dog for the Lakers, this is Kobe's record in elimination games:

    1) 2003 WCSF Game 6 (LOSS) : SPURS 110, Lakers 82
    20 points, 9-19 FG, 2 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers

    2) 2004 Finals Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 87, PISTONS 100
    24 points, 7-21 FG, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers

    3) 2006 WCQF Game 7 (LOSS): Lakers 90, SUNS 121
    24 points, 8-16 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers

    4) 2007 WCQF Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 110, SUNS 119
    34 points, 13-33 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 6 turnovers

    5) 2008 Finals Game 6 (LOSS): Lakers 92, CELTICS 131
    22 points, 7-22 FG, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 4 turnovers

    6) 2009 WCSF Game 7 (WIN): Rockets 70, LAKERS 89
    14 points, 4-12 FG, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2blocks, 1 turnover

    AVERAGES:
    23.0 PPG
    3.83 REBOUNDS
    3.00 ASSISTS
    39.0% FG%
    1.17 STEALS
    0.500 BLOCKS
    4.00 TURNOVERS

    PER: 14.0

    I don't usually like to put a lot of stock into the PER, but an elite player doing that horribly on it is unreal. To put it in perspective, here's a list of players average PER this season in the 14.0 +/- 0.25 range:

    Code:
    RANK    PLAYER             PER
    ====   ===============   =======
    112    Chris Duhon        14.25
    113    Wilson Chandler    14.18
    114    Tyrus Thomas       14.10
    115    Tyson Chandler     14.09
    116    Al Thornton        14.04
    117    Ronnie Brewer      14.02
    118    Randy Foye         14.00
    118    Spencer Hawes      14.00
    120    Andrei Kirilenko   13.85
    121    Brendan Haywood    13.83
    122    Eric Gordon        13.80
    123    Joakim Noah        13.78
    1-5 in elimination games as the man and production on par with Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, and Spencer Hawes? Clearly, he is not the big game player he's hyped to be. I remember the way Duncan was absolutely crucified by the media for his 14/10/4 and 16/16/2 games, injured, against the Pistons in 05. Yet everyone blames Kobe's teammates when he doesn't come to play. Kobe's a of a player, but he is clearly not the guy you count on with your backs against the wall. Not a single one of those performances in elimination games would be considered a good much less great performance.

  8. #33
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    Lebron did great today...i dont see why kobe has to be mentioned. Kobe's team is the one up in the series.

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    I think timvp posted Kobe's elimination game stats in another thread.

    Edit: no, I guess it was bb, and he beat me to it.

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    LeBron doesn't have a lot of help. That's definitely true. But, I think you forget how bad Kobe's teammates were in 2005-06 and 2006-07.

    Lamar Odom is a good player. The rest of the supporting cast that were in the regular rotation: Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Maurice Evans, Vladimir Radmanovic. Smush, Walton, and Kwame were starters for much of those two years.

    In the Western Conference.

    At least LeBron has been given consistent three point shooting with his supporting cast. He's also been given tough big men who aren't afraid to bang. And, while they are older and not the same players they used to be, LeBron has teammates that have been all star talents and starters on great teams. Kobe's teammates those two years were neither talented nor experienced nor former winners. And again, in the Western Conference.
    Odom had 22 points, 13 rebounds, and 5.7 assists on 49% shooting in that 06 series. LeBron wishes he had a teammate like that. All those supposed three point shooters have given LeBron exactly one game of support this series.

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    You have low personal self-esteem baseline which is why you felt the need to make this thread.

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    You choose...

    Smush Parker or Mo Williams
    Kwame Brown or Big Z
    Odom or Side show bob

    Lakers win one of the 3 talent wise

    Kobe and West play same spot and Kobe is a lot better.

    Luke and LBJ play same spot and LBJ is light years better.

    SO if you really compare the talent... this years Cav's are far superior to the Lakers then.

    Difference is... then it was all about how Kobe is a ball hog. How Kobe doesnt trust his teamates so how could they perform if he doesnt. etc

    For Lebron, it's he doesn't have the cast to do it. Yet, they finished with the best record in the league and the #1 seed. Kobe's team then finished with the 7th seed and took a contending Suns team to 7 games.

    Hate all you want... but to suggest Kobe had a better team then that LBJ does now is ridiculous

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    In an elimination game:



    37 points (on 46% shooting)
    17 in the fourth quarter
    15 rebounds
    12 assists

    M-V-P
    Tell Bron to do that in Game 6 in Orlando and then I'll be impressed.

  14. #39
    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    You have low personal self-esteem baseline which is why you felt the need to make this thread.
    Nah, it's more of getting sick of Laker fans trashing LeBron every time they lose while pretending Kobe isn't playing on a team that's ing loaded.

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    When Kobe had a cast like LeBron's the best he did was get knocked out in the first.
    Smush Parker/Brian Cook/Maurice Evans/Kwame Brown/Chris Mihm...thats a cast?Would Lebron work wonders with the above^^^

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    Smush Parker/Brian Cook/Maurice Evans/Kwame Brown/Chris Mihm...thats a cast?Would Lebron work wonders with the above^^^
    LOL. Odom murdered the Suns. Read up a few posts. James doesn't have anyone even close to that backing him up this series, and the rest of his cast has been pulling Smush Parkers for the first four games.

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    I'm Mavs>Spurs bitch Allanon's Avatar
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    LOL. Odom murdered the Suns. Read up a few posts. James doesn't have anyone even close to that backing him up this series, and the rest of his cast has been pulling Smush Parkers for the first four games.
    I'm the last person to get on LeBron's case. I think he's doing great.

    But to compare his 5 All-Star team to the Smush Parker & Kwame Brown Lakers is ridiculous.

    It's on LeBron to keep his team running and NOT playing like Smush Parker...that's on him as a leader.

    If he can get his team to 66 wins but can't stop them from choking in the Playoffs, there's no excuse other than LeBron isn't ready to get his team to a Championship.

    In all of NBA history, there's like 10 teams that have ever won 66 games, that is a good team...just not good enough. Lots of people had the Cavs as favorites to win the Ring after their 1st and 2nd round sweeps.

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    a triple double with 37 points in an elimination game is pretty damn impressive. too bad lebron isn't getting to the finals with a cast of mo williams and friends.

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    I'm the last person to get on LeBron's case. I think he's doing great.

    But to compare his 5 All-Star team to the Smush Parker & Kwame Brown Lakers is ridiculous.

    It's on LeBron to keep his team running and NOT playing like Smush Parker...that's on him as a leader.

    If he can get his team to 66 wins but can't stop them from choking in the Playoffs, there's no excuse other than LeBron isn't ready to get his team to a Championship.

    In all of NBA history, there's like 10 teams that have ever won 66 games, that is a good team...just not good enough. Lots of people had the Cavs as favorites to win the Ring after their 1st and 2nd round sweeps.
    since garnett went down, everyone knew this season was the lakers to take. even moderate resistance was taken away when ginobili, mcgrady, yao, and nelson went down. all the hype around cavs and lakers final fail to reveal that the lakers are far more talented than the cavs. that's why james is MVP, he did more with less. sadly for him, the playoffs contain more intensity where he needs a legitimate all star next to him.

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    since garnett went down, everyone knew this season was the lakers to take. even moderate resistance was taken away when ginobili, mcgrady, yao, and nelson went down. all the hype around cavs and lakers final fail to reveal that the lakers are far more talented than the cavs. that's why james is MVP, he did more with less. sadly for him, the playoffs contain more intensity where he needs a legitimate all star next to him.
    I don't disagree about this year, it's the Smush/Kwame years I disagree about. That was a D-league team back then and far less talented than the Cavaliers of the last 5 years.

    This year's Cavs are legit contenders, they just ran into the worst possible matchup in the NBA.

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    Nah, it's more of getting sick of Laker fans trashing LeBron every time they lose while pretending Kobe isn't playing on a team that's ing loaded.
    What does one have to do with the other?

    People aren't trashing Lebron because they dislike Lebron. It's more because of the media and the NBA for creating a hype around him that is not justified. Glorifying his accomplishments when his team is actually down 3-2 in a series and on the brink of elimination.

    I don't think you'll find many rational fans who believe Kobe is a better player than LBJ at this point in their respective careers.

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    Tell Bron to do that in Game 6 in Orlando and then I'll be impressed.
    He probably will...but the Cavs will still lose...1 against 5.

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    As great as the stats that Lebron puts up, it almost feels ugly and unnatural to watch him hold the ball for 20 seconds and go 1 vs. 5 for an entire quarter. Almost like the spirit of the game and the team play that should be happening is being violated. Just my thoughts.

  24. #49
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    Baseline don't even bother wasting your time.

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    As great as the stats that Lebron puts up, it almost feels ugly and unnatural to watch him hold the ball for 20 seconds and go 1 vs. 5 for an entire quarter. Almost like the spirit of the game and the team play that should be happening is being violated. Just my thoughts.
    It was working though and thats why I have no idea why Orlando didn't double at the top and make him give up the ball. I mean that's just common sense IMO. Make ANYBODY ELSE but Lebron create something but Orlando just let him stand at the top with one on one coverage the entire quarter and looke what happened.

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