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    At some point the people have to be accountable too...I mean, a lot of people in other countries could separate Bush policy from 'the American people' during his first term, especially about Iraq, and well, almost all other foreign policy...I mean, he wasn't even really elected, right? ....but then they re-elected that idiot and got 4 more years...the people have to be accountable too...
    Ah, so it's Bush's fault for the rift between Israel and Palestine.
    I see.

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    Ah, so it's Bush's fault for the rift between Israel and Palestine.
    I see.
    Do you feel the rush of air over your head when you read these posts?

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    Do you feel the rush of air over your head when you read these posts?
    So you think his post was relevant then? You need to get off the internet every once in a while.

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    So you think his post was relevant then? You need to get off the internet every once in a while.
    Inasmuch as it was about accountability, sure. As far as I saw, Bush didn't try to do about the Israel/Palestine question until the very end of his administration, which didn't work for the previous couple of presidents either. That's all I could really say about Bush directly regarding this subject.

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    I don't know if I would say exploit...that word is too much. But people always equate criticism of Israeli policy with being anti-Semitic.
    At some point the people have to be accountable too...I mean, a lot of people in other countries could separate Bush policy from 'the American people' during his first term, especially about Iraq, and well, almost all other foreign policy...I mean, he wasn't even really elected, right? ....but then they re-elected that idiot and got 4 more years...the people have to be accountable too...
    Inasmuch as it was about accountability, sure.
    W.h.a.t. t.h.e. f.u.c.k does the accountablity of the American people for 4 additional years of Bush have to do with Duff explaining that being critical of Israeli policy is not equal to being anti-Semitic?

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    Inasmuch as it was about accountability, sure. As far as I saw, Bush didn't try to do about the Israel/Palestine question until the very end of his administration, which didn't work for the previous couple of presidents either. That's all I could really say about Bush directly regarding this subject.
    First of all, if you are going to go back and edit after the fact, it makes it tough to argue. I wonder how often you do that?

    Second, WTF does that have to do with Duff's quote?

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    I edit a lot when I think I need to clarify my position. I tend to do it quickly.

    I believe Duff and dan are talking about the accountability of the people of Israel themselves and by logical extension Israel as a nation. Has there ever been a stick used in US policy towards Israel, or just billions and billions of carrots?

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    I edit a lot when I think I need to clarify my position. I tend to do it quickly.

    I believe Duff and dan are talking about the accountability of the people of Israel themselves and by logical extension Israel as a nation. Has there ever been a stick used in US policy towards Israel, or just billions and billions of carrots?
    Nope, Duff was talking about how if one criticizes Israel, he is often accused of anti-semitism. Look at what he's quoting.

    Dan took it upon himself to try and somehow get Bush's name in the thread.

    Not that I really care, just think it's lame.

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    they use expansion.....as a tool....to piss off the palastinians....so they'll be attacked....and will claim the right to retaliate.....by 10 fold.

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    Nope, Duff was talking about how if one criticizes Israel, he is often accused of anti-semitism. Look at what he's quoting.
    Right, Duff is criticizing Israel, and dan says the people of Israel should be held accountable at some point.

    Dan took it upon himself to try and somehow get Bush's name in the thread.
    And you took it upon yourself to misinterpret his analogy.

    Not that I really care, just think it's lame.
    Please. Pretty much everyone here goes out of his/her way to get in a jab at someone they don't like.

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    Right, Duff is criticizing Israel, and dan says the people of Israel should be held accountable at some point.
    So the people of Israel should be accountable for others generalizing people that criticize Israeli policy as anti-semitic? Look at it again, Duff was ONLY saying that if he criticizes Israeli policy he shouldn't be viewed as anti-semitic.

    And you took it upon yourself to misinterpret his analogy.
    What analogy and by whom?

    Please. Pretty much everyone here goes out of his/her way to get in a jab at someone they don't like.
    Please. You spend too much time here and can no longer seperate your virtual world from your real world (which as it seems is one in the same for you).

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    they use expansion.....as a tool....to piss off the palastinians....so they'll be attacked....and will claim the right to retaliate.....by 10 fold.

    Then why do you ignore the fact that Arab militants hide in hospitals, schools and other places where civilians are during war time and then at Israel when a civilian gets killed?

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    So the people of Israel should be accountable for others generalizing people that criticize Israeli policy as anti-semitic? Look at it again, Duff was ONLY saying that if he criticizes Israeli policy he shouldn't be viewed as anti-semitic.
    Right. Dan expanded on that point introducing the idea of accountability of a people.

    What analogy and by whom?
    Dan's analogy by Dan.

    Please. You spend too much time here and can no longer seperate your virtual world from your real world (which as it seems is one in the same for you).
    Please. You are far too concerned about me. Of course it's not real concern, just a convenient fallback when your argument falls apart.

    But, by all means, let's make this about me.

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    What analogy and by whom?

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    You're wrong, and you're misinterpreting the subjects.

    Have a good weekend.

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    That's about right then since he said it was your analogy.

    Nevermind Chump, you were right.

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    Have a good weekend.
    You have a good one too.

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    In Israel, JS would be Lukid......have a good day Sir!

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    You have a good one too.
    although I really don't think you like or dislike johnsmith, there's no need for this type of jab.

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    although I really don't think you like or dislike johnsmith, there's no need for this type of jab.
    Wow...

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    I totally hate that bas with every fiber of my being, but that's no reason for him to have a bad weekend.

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    JS isn't so bad....you just have to understand his humor...

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    turn it to "on"

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    Then why do you ignore the fact that Arab militants hide in hospitals, schools and other places where civilians are during war time
    when did i ignore this?
    and then at Israel when a civilian gets killed?
    you must be thinking of someone else.

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    Anyone have the text and/or video for President Obama's words regarding this? I found the Cairo speech:

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