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    Love Manu, as both a player and a person.

    Though I now proclaim him officially "injury prone and old",

    A lot of tread on those tires of his. Just sayin'.

    Still want him as a Spur - for now.

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    What do his religious beliefs have to do with whether or not you have faith in a guy?

    I respect him even more (if this is true) to publicly announce he doesn't believe. It takes stones Manu!
    It was a joke.

    BenJarvus: Check.

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    a few quotes to argie media (www.ole.com.ar):

    On the season:
    "It was a horrible season, at no point did i play at ease and forget the physical problems. I was always doing rehab and fighting against something. I want to be healthy for what's coming"
    On being injured:
    "It had never happened to me. It got really tough, it was hard to watch the POs from outside and it hurt to not help my teammates. But this makes me stronger. Tengo un cayo más (not sure the best way to translate this, but it basically means its making him tougher/ skin thicker)".

    On rehab:
    "I have a progressive plan that starts with 5 minutes of jogging. Afterwards I'll do weights, jumping and shooting. I miss my old routine. travelling with the team and packing travel bags"


    on his future:
    "In SA they still havent talked to me about re-signing. I've got one more year. I dont know what they will do. I wait and play. Talks have been off since the beijing olympics..."

    "I know the owner wasnt happy. But nobody told me anything. Popovich understands my position. He told me he would have done the same. I dont think anything is broken. I prefer to stay in San Antonio the rest of my career. But, if something has to change ill grab my bags and play somewhere else"

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    a few quotes to argie media (www.ole.com.ar):

    On the season:
    "It was a horrible season, at no point did i play at ease and forget the physical problems. I was always doing rehab and fighting against something. I want to be healthy for what's coming"
    On being injured:
    "It had never happened to me. It got really tough, it was hard to watch the POs from outside and it hurt to not help my teammates. But this makes me stronger. Tengo un cayo más (not sure the best way to translate this, but it basically means its making him tougher/ skin thicker)".

    On rehab:
    "I have a progressive plan that starts with 5 minutes of jogging. Afterwards I'll do weights, jumping and shooting. I miss my old routine. travelling with the team and packing travel bags"


    on his future:
    "In SA they still havent talked to me about re-signing. I've got one more year. I dont know what they will do. I wait and play. Talks have been off since the beijing olympics..."

    "I know the owner wasnt happy. But nobody told me anything. Popovich understands my position. He told me he would have done the same. I dont think anything is broken. I prefer to stay in San Antonio the rest of my career. But, if something has to change ill grab my bags and play somewhere else"
    Come back healthy next season, and you'll be a Spur for life, Manu.

    As much as I'd absolutely hate to see him go, Spurs can't afford to pay him star money to be a s of his former self.

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    I am starting to feel the same way, but I am giving him one more season before I officially proclaim him done.

    I agree. Let's see how he looks in 2009 before we send him out to pasture or to another team.

    Ginobili has heart and is a compe or; I bet he wants to come back 100% to help his team.

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    Ginobili = $10,725,000
    I know there are times when I'm an optimist to a fault, but I think there's a distinct chance that in the future we will view Manu Ginobili's injuries the past 16 months as a huge blessing in disguise. Follow me here for a second.

    Manu Ginobili has been, and perhaps continues to be, one of the greatest bargains in the NBA. Considering his output and his potential to be a game-changing player, to have a guy like that locked up for several years under $11 million per year is quite a steal. After Manu's performance in the regular season of 07-08, he appeared poised to receive an extension approaching the maximum the Spurs could offer him. While the Spurs would be happy to have the Parker/Duncan/Ginobili trio locked up into the next decade, their combined salaries would be very prohibitive in bringing in supplemental pieces.

    However, Ginobili's injuries have changed the dynamics of that a bit. While there's still no doubt in my mind that the Spurs intend to give him an extension, and equally little doubt that Ginobili has the potential to return to s om, the injury worries give the Spurs a legitimate reason to extend an offer to Ginobili at a significantly lower rate than previously expected. Combined with Manu's desire to stay in San Antonio the rest of his career, this could result in the Spurs getting yet another bargain on his contract.

    Only time will tell whether it plays out this way, but I feel like Ginobili was poised to sign an extension for 3 years and around $35 million. Now, I feel like the Spurs may be able to negotiate an extension in the realm of 3 years and $23-28 million, giving them considerably more flexibility for the end of Ginobili's and Duncan's careers.

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    I think that is likely not so much from Ginobili's desire to stay with the Spurs, but the market for him.

    I highly doubt some other team would offer him 8+ million per year with his injuries and age.

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    Does Ginobili have a trade kicker in his contract?

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    Does Ginobili have a trade kicker in his contract?
    No, he is free to be traded with no Kaman-like kicker.

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    I think that is likely not so much from Ginobili's desire to stay with the Spurs, but the market for him.

    I highly doubt some other team would offer him 8+ million per year with his injuries and age.
    If Manu shows the ability to stay healthy (or mostly healthy) for an entire season and averages 16 ppg, 4 rpg, and 3.5 apg, I guarantee you someone will be willing to pay him an average of $10 million per year or more, especially considering all the extra money that will be floating around in the summer of 2010.

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    Possibly, but it is hard to pay guys that much knowing they get injured and that their style of play leads to injury. Especially considering his age and his inability to play long minutes. Not everyone has the Spurs system where they can manage minutes and still win 50+ games every year.

    If he has a great year, I could see someone paying a lot for him, but I would be a little surprised considering signing guards who are losing their athleticism to longer contracts is risky.

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    Possibly, but it is hard to pay guys that much knowing they get injured and that their style of play leads to injury. Especially considering his age and his inability to play long minutes. Not everyone has the Spurs system where they can manage minutes and still win 50+ games every year.

    If he has a great year, I could see someone paying a lot for him, but I would be a little surprised considering signing guards who are losing their athleticism to longer contracts is risky.
    There are teams out there that would just need him to be ok for a successful playoff run. Besides the Spurs, teams like Cleveland and Denver I'm fairly sure would pay handsomely for his services, considering he might be the piece that puts them over the top.

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    Maybe and it would not be incredibly shocking. I just wonder how many guys in the league today with comparable age/injuries have gotten long term contracts at age 32 (he is about to turn 32 I think) for over 10M per year.

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    Spoke with the salary cap expert - Ginobilii is $10,728,130 for 09-10. He has a 5% trade kicker.

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    Good to hear he's fully recovered. And that he'll be resting over the summer.

    Let's just see if his body holds up over the course of the season though.

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    Spoke with the salary cap expert - Ginobilii is $10,728,130 for 09-10. He has a 5% trade kicker.
    What else did Bruno tell you?

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    EDIT: You shouldn't give him props just yet...


    I don't think there wasn't any interview at all in this case... that's all taken from Manu's Facebook updates and previous interviews... there is absolutely nothing i repeat NADA new that he hasn't said before elsewhere on this article... the MRI is the only new thing to it and he can get that data from other sources than Manu...

    Read the article. It says he interviewed him.

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    What else did Bruno tell you?
    Who is Bruno?

    I asked Larry Coon.

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    Ducks secretly loves Manu. He said, and I quote:

    "Bosh is better than Manu. Not!!!!!"
    I told you that was a type o
    I was watching tv and my kids

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    Maybe and it would not be incredibly shocking. I just wonder how many guys in the league today with comparable age/injuries have gotten long term contracts at age 32 (he is about to turn 32 I think) for over 10M per year.
    If he can play 70+ games and the playoffs at the level at which he performed in Jan, 2009, then there will be at least one team ready to give him at least 2yrs/20M or 3 yrs/25-30M. And it only takes one team to set the market for any one player.

    It makes the Manu situation very interesting. If the Spurs were willing to extend him now, they could probably strike a deal at a considerably lower salary. The Spurs would assume the risk that he may not return to health and Manu would risk losing the more lucrative deal that he would be offered after a successful season.

    Now if he can't play at all, then it is money down the drain. But what if he evolves into a player that is primarily a 3-pt shooter who can pass and handle the ball and shows very infrequent glimpses of the player he once was? Like an amped up Brent Barry. How much is that player worth?

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    Read the article. It says he interviewed him.
    and you believed him?

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    and you believed him?
    Yes. He's not going to lie about talking to Manu. That could get him fired.

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    Regarding Manu, I hope Pop takes extra, extra special care of him this upcoming season. Something like 25 minutes per game and not playing him in back-to-backs. The Spurs simply can't risk another playoff run that features an injured Manu.

    The last two playoffs Manu has been hurt and even the two playoff runs before that he was banged up.

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    In his first interview since April 5, the day before a stress fracture in his right distal fibula put a premature end to the most tumultuous season of his career, Ginobili said Sunday that he expects to be fully recovered by the opening of training camp in October.
    In his first Interview with who??? I call BS... and i can dig enough to prove it if indeed it's the case...

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    In his first Interview with who??? I call BS... and i can dig enough to prove it if indeed it's the case...
    “I’ve got almost everything packed up and ready to go,” Ginobili said from his San Antonio home a few hours before leaving for the airport. “There was a lot to pack.”
    It's pretty clear that McDonald is saying he talked to Manu on Sunday.

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