Kobe (2009 Finals): 5 games, 44.0 min., 32.3 PPG (58/135, 43%), 5.5 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.3 SPG, 3.8 TO
Pierce (2008 Finals): 6 games, 38.8 min., 21.8 PPG (38/88, 43%), 4.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, 1.2 SPG, 3.7 TO
Lebron (2007 Finals): 4 games, 42.5 min., 22.0 PPG (32/90, 36%), 7.0 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.5 TO
Wade (2006 Finals): 6 games, 43.5 min., 34.7 PPG (65/139, 47%), 7.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 2.7 SPG, 3.7 TO
Jordan (1996 Finals): 6 games, 42.0 min., 27.3 PPG (51/123, 42%), 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.7 SPG, 3.0 TO
Jordan (1997 Finals): 6 games, 42.7 min., 32.3 PPG (72/158, 46%), 7.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2.2 TO
Jordan (1998 Finals): 6 games, 41.7 min., 33.5 PPG (70/164, 43%), 4.0 RPG, 2.3 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.7 TO
Compared to the others Kobe shooting 43% really isn't that "PATHETIC". I'd say he's worth the finals MVP.
son why did you only show 3 of Jordan's finals MVP years? funny how you chose NOT to show the other 3 were he shot well over 50%....
shooting percentages aside ... the fact is that it took Kobe 6 ing times to finally win a finals MVP award. how in the world can anyone in there right mind consider this guy in the top 5 best players ever?
Only reason I didn't show the other three for MJ is cause I stole those stats from a thread someone else started, I don't know where MJ's others are but I'd love to see them. That's completely beside the point though, I proved the point that MJ wasn't a whole lot better and neither was the finals MVP last year. You're just looking for something, anything to discredit him and that's ok. But the truth is he was pretty darn good in the finals. He isn't top five, but maybe top 10 for some people, I think he's like top 15 or so which is pretty damn good.
LMAO son are you serious???
MJ wasn't a whole lot better????
Jordan won 6 NBA finals MVP awards in 6 tries shooting nearly 50% on average in all 6 .... Kobe won 1 MVP in 6 tries, got his ass whipped in 2 of them, and watched Shaq win 3 of them. Jordan was and always will be better than Kobe. anyone with a brain understands that. however anyone who is easily fooled by the media and bull programs like "Kobe Doin' Work" will think otherwise.
Kobe is a damn good player, but FAR from great. put him on any other team and he is just another Paul Pierce.
You misunderstood me. I was talking about Kobe not being top five, or ten but probably top 15. MJ is number one bro, and far better then Kobe. I was referring to your shooting % thing about how bad 43% was when MJ shot on average 44% in the final three peat and PP did the same last year.
I got ya, but it simply blows my mind that some people have the nerve to put Kobe in a top 5. MAYBE top 15, but top 5? really?
Why should he be top 15?
After all, isn't he just another 44% 2 guard who gets hyped because he plays for the Lakers?
Just another Vince Carter, T-Mac, Allen Iverson, etc etc. Are they top 15 players too?
121-63 .
LOL son I gotta admit .... it has been quite humorous watching you over these last 2-3 weeks. You jumped on the Kobe bandwagon faster than a Spurs fan trying to get back across the border. just out of the ing blue Ghazi all of a sudden became a huge Kobe Bryant supporter / nut-hugger.
I'm just here to set the record motha in straight
This is just pathetic.
The ignorance in NBA history of certain Kobe fans are showing once again.
lol at Kobe over Bird.
When it's all said and done Kobe will have earned his spot in the top 5 All-time. He's not there yet though.
My Top 10:
1. Michael Jordan - No explanation needed.
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Unstoppable/versatile scorer, played decent defense (mainly shot-blocking though), great body of work. Perfected the most impossible shot to defend... the sky hook. While almost all players of the past have been surpassed by players in modern generations, this is one skill that has never been matched in the least bit.
3. Tim Duncan - Possibly the greatest leader I've ever seen. He is the Magic Johnson of big-men, in terms of putting such great emphasis on team play, not being a great athlete but extremely smart and cunning, and using his game to set others up for easy shot opportunities. A monster on both ends, and always let his game speak. Always confident, but never over-confident. Always kept his hunger.
4. Kobe Bryant - I don't think it's unfair to call him the most talented player the game has seen. I think that him and Tracy McGrady are the two most naturally talented players I've ever seen. Questionable shot selection and leadership qualities is what has kept him from being up with MJ. But fact is, there really isn't much he can't do on the court. He is just an amazing basketball player.
5. Magic Johnson - Arguably the other greatest leader I've ever seen. Not a great athlete, shooter, or defender, but his ball-handling and court vision along with his size (a point guard in a power forwards body) gave him one of the three most unusual advantages in NBA history, alongside Dirk (shooting guard in a centers body) and Barkley (power forward in a shooting guards body). However he used it to his benefit more than the other two. He loved winning, and did a great job at pumping up his teammates and getting the best out of them.
6. Larry Bird - The golden standard for a "blue-collar" type player. His hard work and hustle transcended that of any player. Not much of an athlete by any means, but he had a killer jumpshot, and busted his ass on the boards and doing dirty work. His defense was quite poor (like Magic's, which is why they rank a little lower on my top 10 than most people's), but he was one of the smartest, craftiest players ever, and simply found ways to score and to leave his mark on the game.
7. Shaquille O'Neal - Absolutely unstoppable. No player other than Michael Jordan was as demanding of double and triple team coverages, than Shaq. The way he forced teams to defend him was something the game hadn't really seen before. In his prime, he is arguably the most dominant force in NBA history. If he had a better work ethic (not getting complacent), and was a better free-throw shooter, I don't think there is a doubt that he would be #1 on this list.
8. Hakeem Olajuwon - Incredibly versatile. Incredible moves. Dominated on both ends. Just a damn good, well rounded player. Unfortunately he played in the Jordan era, so he (along with several other greats) gets overshadowed by MJs greatness and dominance.
9. Oscar Robertson - The MJ before MJ. Did it all. Set the golden standard for SGs in his time, eventually being surpassed by MJ, who now may eventually be surpassed by Lebron/Kobe/Wade. However, he played in a weaker era as well. I do not believe he would be able to accomplish some of the things he did if playing in a more modern era, where athletes are better, talent is better, strategy is better, and DEFENSE is better. But really, the fact is, Robertson was the beginning of this mold of player.
10. Wilt Chamberlain - The Shaq before Shaq. He came well before his time, and was fortunate he played in an era that did not have very good compe ion, athletes, or strategy. His greatness, much like other players such as Robertson, Bill Russell, and such, was greatly helped due to the lesser compe ion. I have strong doubts that Chamberlain would be able to have 100 point games and 50 ppg seasons in more modern eras. His lack of championships and mediocre leadership hurts his ranking in my book as well. However again, the fact is, he was the beginning of the mold of dominant centers.
more talented, better athlete, more rings, WAYYYYYYYY better defender.
that is one thing that bugs me, when people talk about how Nash shouldnt win MVPs since he did his work only on one end of the court... you can say the same about Magic and Bird. they were both ing horrible defenders, and had STACKED ING TEAMS. so why do they get a pass on their defense?
Kobe may not be as good of a leader as Bird or Magic, but he is most definitely a better basketball player.
Well, the problem I have with those kind of lists is that it is really hard to compare players that play different positions. There is only one objective criteria and that is success. Based on that I would say that Kobe is a bit behind Shaq and Timmy. In the end it does not really matter because most of the time fans argue for their favourite player anyways.
At least LAT is not homer like some laker fans.
Wilt numba 10 huh. Interesting list.
I'll just add, I always hear stories about how Wilt, late in his career, would dominate the out of young Kareem. Wilt was a monster in reality and I think he would post Rodman rebounding numbers in the modern era along with Shaq type scoring.
And Magic went to ing 9 finals in 11 years. Age 20 he starts at center for Kareem, drops 42, 15 and 7 in a NBA finals clinching game 6. 5 all-time seems kinda low. Sucks that his career was cut short though.
I can't even figure out how Shaq ranks below Kobe, and I hate Shaq and like Kobe.
Your stories are misinterpreted then, as Kareem in his second year in the NBA led his Bucks to a 4-1 face ing of Wilt and his Lakers in the conference finals.
They lost points in my book because they sucked at defense, and their teams were stacked. Winning is a team accomplishment, and your leadership has more to do with winning, as opposed to your actual basketball skills. The thing that the greatest players all have in common is they could lead and make their teammates better... not their skills.And Magic went to ing 9 finals in 11 years. Age 20 he starts at center for Kareem, drops 42, 15 and 7 in a NBA finals clinching game 6. 5 all-time seems kinda low. Sucks that his career was cut short though.
The greatest thing about Duncan is that he stepped aside and let other players shine time and time again. Tony and Manu blossomed because of him. He was so great his greatness rubbed off on them. So unselfish and a great leader. He doesn't need to be top whatever, he just cares about winning.
Yeah and Wilt outplayed him head to head in that series.
The teams he beat in the finals were just as stacked. And if it wasn't for injuries he could be rocking 7 rings instead of 5.
I love Worthy but Magic made him look alot better than he was IMO. If Worthy was on a lesser team he would probably not be in the HOF. Magic also extended Kareem's career by 5-6 years at least.
There is no logical argument of Kobe being ahead of Duncan or Shaq..I still have yet to see anybody make a good argument for it..
again, those Jordan stats are Michael at age 32 and over, past his physical prime..prime Kobe has to be compared to past his prime Jordan, because that's the only way their numbers can be similar in any way..
I think this is a good list except for number 5. I would put Hakeem Olajuwon at number 5. Akeem had the total package. Was the defensive player of the year for 2 years and was a better all around basketball player than both Shaq and Tim. He averaged 3.1 blocks for his career and also averaged 1.75 steals a game. The guy had no weakness and even shot freethrows better. Not much, but better.
Prove it.
Keep in mind he played in a ing ty western conference. I agree Magic helped make his team better, but he still couldn't play defense or shoot for . His size is what made him great. Had he been 6-2 or 6-3, he would have just been a good PG, but nothing special. He wasn't exceptionally skilled in a lot of areas.
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