Ioannis Bourousis to Stay in Greece

[Spursfan092120]

I can give you links but it seems to be accepted on here that all media that is greek cannot be trusted.

over exaggeration. No one ever said that all greek media cannot be trusted. We just said that until someone in the NBA says the guy is playing for the NBA, I'm not going to believe it. That would be like a Japanese baseball team saying a Japanese player is playing for an MLB team, without the MLB team even saying it...just doesn't make sense.

[samikeyp]

The dude lately has been throwing out his source of info and still gets stepped on...Credible or not, they are source info.

yeah, he lost me at "V-Span is better than Deron Williams or Tony Parker"

[DPG21920]

The dude lately has been throwing out his source of info and still gets stepped on...Credible or not, they are source info.

Lately he has been posting links, but it does not matter unless it is credible. No one would say anything if he posted links after things he said as long as he acknowledged that you should take it as speculation, not fact.

Then if he was not rude when people questioned him, that would help.

[ChumpDumper]

How could an NBA possibly outbid all the billionaire Greek owners with their offers of no taxes and houses and cars and maids and s and personal wipers of ass?

[yavozerb]

Its funny cause people post stuff from hoopsworld and other shady sites, would you call them credible since they get maybe a quarter of their reports right?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Lies.


No one said it was "million times better" all that has been said is that it is better and is the highest level of compe ion in Basketball. Which is true.

No it is not. You keep making up things that are exaggerations. ALL NBA fans ALL NBA fans take ESPN and Stern hype as "facts". It is like you cannot even form your own opinions.

Truth, the truth is that the NBA playoffs are serious and good. That is debatable. First round NBA playoffs not as high level as Euroleague final four. Never, nope, not at all. Second round of NBA playoffs is close but not quite as good as Euroleagie final four. Conference finals and finals of NBA is better than Euroleague final four.

NBA regular season is like a complete POS compared to the Euroleague final four level. Out of this NBA fans just say made up things like "NBA is obviously way better than Euroleague and it is not close".

You NEVER see a NBA fan make true statement like "NBA is better but Euroleague final four is pretty good and certainly much better than NBA regular season" No never. And if anyone was to say it then they are laughed made fun of and called names by the "expert" NBA fans that are not even knowledgeable about basketball.

All in this forum you see how the foreign fans know NBA, other leagues, NCAA, FIBA but what do NBA fans here know? They know NBA and not a damn thing about any other basketball. But they are always sure to tell off others about how they know it all and are always right. Even if many members tell them they are wrong they just tell them to " off" and other things like this or "get the out of this board USA USA USA"

Do you actually think that with the posts in these forums NBA fans ever look like they know even the most basic things about basketball? Let me tell you they do not.

[DPG21920]

Its funny cause people post stuff from hoopsworld and other shady sites, would you call them credible since they get maybe a quarter of their reports right?

Nope. You see everyone here, even in the les place a warning saying "By the way, this is from Hoopsworld, so take it for what it is worth".

Almost every single time. No one minds KBP posting the info that he does, that is a good thing. We mind the lies about the sources, the at ude and the over exaggerations.

[Spursfan092120]

yeah, he lost me at "V-Span is better than Deron Williams or Tony Parker"

LMAO..that quote was in my sig for a LONG time..lol

[timvp]

Where does this come from? They have never been able to even compete with Panathinaikos much less beat them. Why are they competing with NBA? They can't ever even win Greek championship much less Euroleague one.

Just because they sign NBA players like Pargo and Childress NBA fans make up so much stuff about how great they will be and how these players will "dominate". It is not true. Olympiacos can not compete for anything worth something good with average or even below average players.

Pargo in Euroleague level = terrible player

Childress in Euroleague level = average player in offense and good player in defense and that is it. He is like 3rd best small forward on his own team.

In other words what I am trying to explain is that the owners of Olympiacos are finally getting smart. They are starting to actually manage and run their club properly. They are not spending money just to spend it. They will not overpay for Bourousis just to say so. They have learned their lesson.

You have to understand no matter what they do they cannot beat PAO. They can bring Gordon and Artest and still would not have enough to beat PAO. You NBA fans can make all your jokes but you simply have no clue about how hard it is to compete against PAO every year.

I think truth is Olympiacos already gave up after this year. They had a basketball team with a $70 millions budget and still got their asses kicked in all 3 leagues by PAO. They an pay Bourousis and every player they think they can get and they will not beat PAO.

They are trying to get Hedo and Parker now and so what? PAO's roster still would be noticeable as stronger. NBA fans just don't get it. There is no magic issue for them to keep all these players. They can't beat PAO no matter if they keep them or not. It is just wasting money and they know it.

Compete as in sign NBA players, not compete as in actually beating an NBA team on the court.

And @ your homer love for PAO. I couldn't care less what happens in some scrub league. According to you, I'm sure the Spurs could be purchased by that greek club and PAO would still beat them. They haves not chances to beat PAO!

Bottomline is that if it comes down to Holt versus some greek mythological owner who celebrated in his overbidding for Josh Childress, Holt isn't the one that is going to win that war.

[DPG21920]

KBP, many have said similar things, but you are not comparing apples to apples. The regular season means much more in Europe because it is shorter. Of course the quality/excitement of the games won't match the Euro Final Four.

That is not the point. Everyone knows that when the NBA teams play their best, when you compare the talent from top to bottom, it is not even close, the NBA is better. You cannot compare the best part of Euro games to the worst in the NBA. You have say: "when both leagues are at their best, which is better"?

You can argue about other things like how fun they are to watch, which league is more appealing, which league is run better..., but if you are going to compare the leagues talent and skill, you have to compare the best of both to each other.

[yavozerb]

Definatly not defending KBP's at ude and manners on line cause they are pretty bad. But, he has gotten better on posting links about his info and they actually appreciated since most of us do not post overseas info.

[tp2021]

He should stick to posting links then, and shut his big mouth.

[rayray2k8]

He did not. Just more fans making things up.

Motherfuc-.. YOU were the one that said he was coming!!!


So much for getting unpinked...
Clutch as ever Kill's_Been_Pinked.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Alright..you know what? I was trying to be nice to your sorry ass, but I'm done with it. Yet another person tries to send out an olive branch, and you refuse it..then you wonder why everyone hates you. I've stood up for you for the past few pages in this thread, even saying what you said to other people who asked for updates. I accidentally typed Pao instead of Olympiacos...get over it. I know about the guy...I was thinking about one thing and typing another. The fact is, NBA players destroyed every other country in the Olympics...especially Greece. We are the best league in the damn world...everyone knows it, including you.

Yes Redeem team is the best team at 2008 Olympics but you cannot even make mildly intelligent argument and instead you make up and nonsense. US "destroyed" every other country? Hmm, they best Spain with a 17 year old point guard by 11 points. It was 4 point game with 2 minutes left with a 17 year old point guard.

They beat Greece by 23 points in non elimination game which everyone knows European teams NEVER play full in non elimination game. If you do not believe it then check game 1 versus Spain 37 points win and game 2 without Calderon was 11 points win.

European clubs NEVER play all out before elimination rounds. Anyway they Greece by 23 points WTF is your point?

There is not a team in entire NBA that could stay within 23 points of Redeem team. Spurs would be lucky to stay within 40 points of them. These are facts to even the most basic mind but to you it means = NBA is way better than Euroleague.

Your level of logic is very poor and it is wrong. First Euroleague is not any team from any country. Second no NBA club could even come close to beating Redeem Team. Redeem team does not = NBA. No matter how many times you make up that lie it is still not true. Name me one NBA team that will stay within 20 points of them and keep in mind you cannot name Lakers because they will not have Kobe on their team and so forth.

Also this NBA is better than Europe crap........you get Redeem Team versus best players not even from Europe but just from eastern Europe and they will kick the crap out of Redeem team. Forget Argentina and Spain and their NBA players. Just take Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Lithuania and all their Euroleague players, take the best 12 from those countries and that plays just in Euroleague and they would "destroy" Redeem team rather easily and without much trouble at all.

But of course NBA fans will educate in this forum how France has the gerates players and only them or Spain could compete in NBA. When there are teams like Greece that could make just themselves 2 whole rosters that could crush an a team from France. But no you say that becasue France has some players in NBA they are so great in FIBA.

There is no end to the bull that is said in these forums about game of basketball. You can have all the NBA discussions and fans from anywhere can have them also but the second you talk about foreign basketball or players the typical NBA fan becomes a racist and stupid asshole for no reason and has no understanding of the issue and is always wrong every time.

I see how Bruno and Mountainballer are considered experts in this forum on "international basketball" when they are both wrong on just about everything they ever say. If they have ever seen a foreign game it would be a shock. But they are given kudos here and others are called things like "Euro trash". It is racist to call an American ignorant for saying such things but it is friendly to call a European "Euro s " or "Euro trash". Not everyone is a mental midget and stop getting so upset just because you are reminded of it sometimes.

[ceds]

Actually the bait was thrown out a ong time ago and not just by me.

He is absolutely good comic relief and I treat him as such. He does get a lot of but to be fair, he brings most of it on himself.

I don't mind the hoops knowledge but its the "all NBA fans are this" or "all US people are that" which bothers me. You saw earlier and not just with me, if you disagree with him, he calls you names and says you lie. Like I said, he brings it on himself.

Yeah he brings it on himself and he's also provoked in just about every thread

As i said before at least he contributes to the forum and provides insight on international ball. To me he is 1000 x better then posters like sequ and ducks who just waste bandwith

[ChumpDumper]

Its funny cause people post stuff from hoopsworld and other shady sites, would you call them credible since they get maybe a quarter of their reports right?

They have been pointed out as liars just as the Greek media has. Neither enjoys a great reputation here.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ok, I agree with that, but did he not do this in the first 2 meetings?

No he has not as far as I know.

[samikeyp]

LMAO..that quote was in my sig for a LONG time..lol

I know...that is where I stole it from.

KPB...overall, playoffs, regular season everything, the leagues as a whole...which league is better, NBA or Euroleague?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Actually the bait was thrown out a ong time ago and not just by me.

He is absolutely good comic relief and I treat him as such. He does get a lot of but to be fair, he brings most of it on himself.

I don't mind the hoops knowledge but its the "all NBA fans are this" or "all US people are that" which bothers me. You saw earlier and not just with me, if you disagree with him, he calls you names and says you lie. Like I said, he brings it on himself.

Lies. If you make up stupid crap and insult me for no reason is what you meant to say.

[samikeyp]

Lies. If you make up stupid crap and insult me for no reason is what you meant to say.

Lies. I meant what I said and said what I meant.

-Horton

[tp2021]

I never really gave a about the "hoopla" KBP causes. But recently, he's been a real bag.

[rayray2k8]

Yes Redeem team is the best team at 2008 Olympics but you cannot even make mildly intelligent argument and instead you make up and nonsense. US "destroyed" every other country? Hmm, they best Spain with a 17 year old point guard by 11 points. It was 4 point game with 2 minutes left with a 17 year old point guard.

They beat Greece by 23 points in non elimination game which everyone knows European teams NEVER play full in non elimination game. If you do not believe it then check game 1 versus Spain 37 points win and game 2 without Calderon was 11 points win.

European clubs NEVER play all out before elimination rounds. Anyway they Greece by 23 points WTF is your point?

There is not a team in entire NBA that could stay within 23 points of Redeem team. Spurs would be lucky to stay within 40 points of them. These are facts to even the most basic mind but to you it means = NBA is way better than Euroleague.

Your level of logic is very poor and it is wrong. First Euroleague is not any team from any country. Second no NBA club could even come close to beating Redeem Team. Redeem team does not = NBA. No matter how many times you make up that lie it is still not true. Name me one NBA team that will stay within 20 points of them and keep in mind you cannot name Lakers because they will not have Kobe on their team and so forth.

Also this NBA is better than Europe crap........you get Redeem Team versus best players not even from Europe but just from eastern Europe and they will kick the crap out of Redeem team. Forget Argentina and Spain and their NBA players. Just take Greece, Croatia, Serbia, Lithuania and all their Euroleague players, take the best 12 from those countries and that plays just in Euroleague and they would "destroy" Redeem team rather easily and without much trouble at all.

But of course NBA fans will educate in this forum how France has the gerates players and only them or Spain could compete in NBA. When there are teams like Greece that could make just themselves 2 whole rosters that could crush an a team from France. But no you say that becasue France has some players in NBA they are so great in FIBA.

There is no end to the bull that is said in these forums about game of basketball. You can have all the NBA discussions and fans from anywhere can have them also but the second you talk about foreign basketball or players the typical NBA fan becomes a racist and stupid asshole for no reason and has no understanding of the issue and is always wrong every time.

I see how Bruno and Mountainballer are considered experts in this forum on "international basketball" when they are both wrong on just about everything they ever say. If they have ever seen a foreign game it would be a shock. But they are given kudos here and others are called things like "Euro trash". It is racist to call an American ignorant for saying such things but it is friendly to call a European "Euro s " or "Euro trash". Not everyone is a mental midget and stop getting so upset just because you are reminded of it sometimes.

Now we all know you are mentally re ed.
I bet I could whip your ass in real life.
So what's it gonna be? "Lies, my grandma would kill you without lifting finger."
"You are ignorant, I could drop kick you with me trying"?

[ceds]

He links to other message boards and blogs by posters like you and I. That is not credible, and yes, some European media is not very reliable.

Look, there have been a number a greek news reports indicating the spurs have serious interest in Bourousis and have made a verbal offer. They also state nothing formal can happen until July 1. Now you might not trust greek media but given pop recently watched the guy play in the final 4 a couple weeks ago i buy it.

Here you go...i took all these links from another board.

Greek news link comfirming the spurs have made a verbal offer:
http://www.sportnet.gr/report.aspx?id=190650

and another one confirming the spur interest:
http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?ca...&pubid=3013382


The following from a papr called :Fos" which is apparantly the authority on all things Olympiakos

Re cutting the team basketball budget
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large...&date=13062009

Concern over Bouroussis & Printezis...
http://www.contra.gr/pops/news_large...&date=14062009

[Vic Petro]

Seriously if you think a Euroleague All Star Team would beat an NBA All Star Team, you have tzaziki in your brain.

[Bruno]

http://www.sportaction.gr/do ent.p...ment_id=132568

Oly and Bourousis' agent have had another meeting today. They talked during 3 and a half hours. Numbers given in this article are that Bourousis wants €2M per year while Oly offers €1.2M per year. Astmosphere around negotiations is very good and there will maybe have a new meeting between Oly and Bourousis' agent to reach an agreement.