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Also, did you read the report, Olympiacos have not signed another person and are in the deep stages of negotiation still with Bourousis.
Bourousis might get a offer from Real Madrid in Spain.
http://www.defensacentral.com/balonc...is-real-madrid
Also, did you read the report, Olympiacos have not signed another person and are in the deep stages of negotiation still with Bourousis.
Apparently, this seems to be the biggest problem for the Spurs, if they want him.
Some reports say that Real Madrid has made a 6.3 million Euros for three years offer, and they gave him a deadline till this friday. If the Spurs can't make an offer before the 1st of July, and he has to answer to Real till this friday, then I believe Bourousis' better option would be to sign with Real.
Otherwise, he has to decline it, and then wait for an offer from the Spurs, which of course isn't sure will happen.
I thought that they can make an offer and even verbally agree to an offer, but just not officially sign it until July 1. This may not be the case with other NBA FAs, but he is not an NBA FA. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that's what Bruno noted in another thread a week or so back.
If RM wants him bad enough they will push back their deadline..Boursousis can call his own shots at this pt..
You are saying how you think Lull is very talented and is a steal for the draft. Well for sure this Lull kid has talent and is quite good for his age. But on the other hand you have never done anything but bash and say bad things about Spanoulis. Not only is Spanoulis 10 times better than Lull he is also much better than Lull could ever be. Even if you compared when they were the same age. Spanoulis at Lull's age could already single handed by HIMSELF regularly beat teams like Olympiacos and Panathinaikos. I mean with maybe 2 or 3 other Eurocup level players he beat Olympiacos in a playoff when he was like 21 or something. I mean come on. You always want it both ways. Either you do not watch basketball as much as you say or you are a Spanoulis hater.hey, Pink Bunny is jelous.
if it makes you feel better: I'm not an expert, don't try to be one, just love basketball and tell my opinion. end of story.
but just a little advice....claiming that Spanoulis would be an all NBA 1 team player, well, doesn't exactly make anyone look like an expert. ever.
there is one question remaining: (other than you) I'm sitting in the heart of Europe. so what is in my case this foreign game you are talking about? Euro basketball I consider domestic.
It is fine if you are a Spanoulis hater this is your right and opinion but when you tell others here that the Spurs should not want him basing it on that you don't like him it makes them think he is a bad player. Obviously Spanoulis is far better than any other foreign player that is ever mentioned in this forum. I mean I am sure Bourousis if Spurs get him will do wonders for the Spurs eventually and can turn the team back to competing for the le. This guy has a lot of money thrown at him from a couple serious NBA clubs.
And still Spanoulis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bourousis easily.
If you really know European game then fine but just say you don;t like Spanoulis but you should really stop telling fans here how bad he is and how I lie about him. The NBA fans obviously do not know but THE most hated player in Greece = Spanoulis THE most hated player in Europe = Spanoulis.
He is Kobe in Europe/Greece and much for same reasons. You and all the other haters know it. The very best player in any league is always also the most hated. Why do you think he did not just do as van Gundy asked him? Because he will not. There is no player in the world other than Kobe with his will and his ego. You make it seem like he is a scrub with that ego. This is nonsense he just a got a stupid arrogant coach who has Napoleon complex and could never accept a foreign rookie telling him he will not change his game for him.
Obradovic is the coach that Messina, Larry Brown, Popovich ask for help that they go to learn from and ask him to teach them more. This is Spanoulis coach. Same guy coached Bodiroga, etc. He said it straight to the media "Spanoulis is the most talented player ever step on a court in Europe his only weakness is he is so talented and good that he does not realize it he does not understand how good he is". Then he said on van Gundy "He must be crazy if he can't use him". This same guy coached Bodiroga, Divac, Djordevic, Sabonis and the list goes on. The guy considered the best coach in the world and who even coached Sabonis and Bodiroga said it Spanoulis is the best player he has ever coached and most talented from Europe ever.
Of course there is a reason why this guy is the best player in everything in PAO the biggest non NBA club and yet who is the most hated PAO player? Spanoulis. Diamantidis even finally told the PAO fans to shut the up and leave him alone. "He is better than me and our best player. He's the best player in Europe leave him alone already."
But the Diamantidis fans in PAO can't stand it. How he always upstages him. Same with Saras who told the coach he wanted to start and be the point guard. You know Obradovic even said it "I told him no we have the best European guard of all times and you want me to bench him? Sorry but I cannot do that anymore."
Even Childress found out. He was assigned all series in Greek finals to play Spanoulis and he said it after the series was over "I do not know how this guy could not get playing time in the NBA. He is the toughest point guard I have ever seen and he never stops coming after you."
You are just another Spanoulis hater just like all the Kobe haters. In Europe all the haters hate him but they all know inside how special he is the NBA fans that don't know him can't see through just hate posts about a player they do not know.
I thought i read they signed another center aswell?
We need to understand how the media works...
If that was the sports media for Olympiakos then it could be bias.
Right now all he can do is field formal offers from European clubs...Once we get to July 1 he will have an NBA offer on the table and we can reasonably assume it'll be from the spurs.
Well they can verbally agree -- but nothing can really be done officially since the cap numbers aren't known.
Exactly, and since all the "informal" offers reported are so inconsistent, you cannot take anything seriously.
Whose rules?
Well the upside to all this negotiating is that if Bourousis doesn't come over, the Spurs haven't wasted a draft pick nor have they lost any money. If he doesn't sign, watch the Spurs begin their courtship of V-Span
Yes this is all correct. You can add to the list that Olympiacos might still change their mind and match the Spurs offer. But Bourousis has never once said that means he will stay in Olympiacos. That is just speculations from some writers or fans here.
You just have to love the consistent, professional journalism on this subject. Here's a new article from TalkBasket. Remember - the one with the "official" English article that KBP use as proof that Bourousis was coming here?
Anyway, they are now saying that he wants 1.7M Euros for a longer-term deal, or 1.8M Euros for a single year contract, and that Oly has offered 1.4M plus incentive bonuses. That makes it sound like they are not very far apart after all.
There's something very familiar about the author of these TalkBasket articles...
http://www.talkbasket.net/news/bouro...al-madrid.html
Bourousis next for Real Madrid?
2009-06-19 01:27
Greek giant Ioannis Bourousis could not reach an agreement regarding the extension of his contract with Olympiakos some hours ago and the rumours about Real Madrid bidding for the player are now stronger than ever.
This was the third meeting between Olympiacos and Bourousis' agent (although today was the first time that Bourousis had attended the meeting himself) and the difference between the two parties was too large to reach a consensus.
Bourousis has made it clear from day one that he wishes at least 1.7 million/per year euros for a long term contract or a 1.8 million euros/per year contract for a short term contract, partly motivated by his well-paid teammates such as Childress, Papaloukas and Vujcic.
Olympiacos seems to disagree with him and in a try to implement their new tighter economical policy are offering him considerably less money (about 1.4 million euros per season) and topping up that offer with bonuses in case the team wins les.
Bourousis has the luxury to wait after his excellent season and being the #1 hottest name in European transfer market right now he has the upper hand. He has already been promised an offer from San Antonio Spurs after July 1 (that is when NBA teams can make official offers) while he could see Panathinaikos as a last resort from Europe.
To more concrete rumours now, the Greek basketball website superbasket.gr has reported that Bourousis has already an offer from Real Madrid in his hands and that Real Madrid is waiting for a response fast.
Real Madrid's alleged offer that Bourousis claims to have is worth a total of 6.3 million euros for a period of three years. It seems that Real Madrid is trying to turn their basketball section too into 'Galacticos' and hiring Messina was the first step needed to reach the top and they will not hesitate to splash some cash in the summer market.
One thing is for sure, Bourousis' name will keep everyone busy in the summer being one of the hottest names out there as there are not many teams in the entire world that would not want him.
Correct.
You keep making this up. The offer is either 3 years or 3+1 which means 4th year is a team option. There is no confusion about those issues.
Also Real Madrid's confirmed offer is 6.3 million euros net salary in 3 years. This is = to 3 years $17.5 million NBA contract. So if Bourousis comes to the Spurs all the fans here need to remember that.
And stop all this stupid crap posts like "if he wanted to play with the Spurs or in NBA he would take less money" because he will be leaving $5.6 millions from real Madrid to come to Spurs.
So you can start appreciating and respecting him and stop talking about him like he is some s or something. You know damn well there is NBA free agent that would come to Spurs this year for $5.6 million less than another team offered.
Maybe... unless the article on Talkbasket is a total fabrication. I have to wonder how one person could know the amount offered to Bourosis by a team in Spain, as well as by a team in Greece, and by a team in the U.S. Either that person really gets around, or he got the information straight from Bourosis or his agent. Or... he totally made it up.
But why would someone make something like that up? Then again, why would someone leave $5.6M on the table? For that matter, why would a team let the best center in the Euroleague go, over a few hundred K per season? I can't imagine Houston saying that Yao is a luxury. Or Orlando saying Dwight Howard is a luxury.
When I start hearing too many things that don't add up, my Bull -O-Meter starts going off.
If he really wanted to be in the NBA he would take less money.
He's got to be going to Real Madrid then.
Who in the passes up $5.6M more a year?
Check the sig...
This is from big Greek sports paper NOT Talkbasket. It is just Talkbasket speculating about it nothing more than that.
Here is the real article and it is from a big Greek sports media. This is one of the biggest sports medias Greece has.
http://www.superbasket.gr/?c=136&a=113997
And for your saying that these numbers are made up by talkbasket once again they do not report this they just stole it from a big Greek media.
Right here.
http://www.superbasket.gr/?c=136&a=113997
Ο διεθνής σέντερ φέρεται να έχει στα χέρια του πρόταση από τη Ρεάλ Μαδρίτης για τριετές συμβόλαιο έναντι 6,3 εκατομμυρίων ευρώ και μάλιστα να πιέζεται να απαντήσει ως την Παρασκευή. Το... θρίλερ θα έχει και συνέχεια αλλά με τα ως τώρα δεδομένα ο Μπουρούσης είναι πιο κοντά στη "Βασίλισσα" απ' ότι στο λιμάνι.
A few hundred K? That is in euros and it is net. You are talking over a million per year.
If he was American he would never take less money. Fixed it for you.
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