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Hedo is a point forward. Vince is not.
Vince does everything Turkoglu does, except he does it better..a healthy Nelson is more valuable to Orlando than Turkoglu, so this trade makes sense..Hedo wouldn't be as useful coming up, and Vince is much better..Turkoglu was huge this year after Nelson's injury, because he was their primary ball handler and pick and roll player..he will no longer have to do that..
I imagine they would also re-sign Gortat now..
Ryan Anderson is a solid bench player..
Hedo is a point forward. Vince is not.
But also, i may be the only person that realizes this, but hedo is one of the dumbest players in the NBA
Agreed here Ryan Anderson is a legit role player off the bench.
Does that mean he plays the 4?
He is around 6'10" so i guess he could.Does that mean he plays the 4?
What you should look at is the fact that Rashard and hedo are interchangeable...they do the same things, both are actually 3s that are the size of 4s
Hedo being a point forward is pointless now..as I said before, the reason he was so valuable was because he took Nelson's role..
Jameer isn't a spot-up shooter or a role player..he's a ball handler and pick&roll player..before his injury, he was playing all-star basketball, while Turkoglu wasn't nearly as useful..
having Turkoglu on the team is pointless now..
they're better off signing Gortat and looking for some veterans to fill the roster..
they're going to have 2 guards to create offense in Nelson and Carter, a post/mismatch in Lewis, and Howard down low..they need role players now..they'll have Pietrus, and possibly Gortat, both very solid role players..they'll just have to fill that out..
even with a healthy Celtic team, Orlando (assuming they keep Hedo) is going to be even stronger next year. Im sure Dwight Howard is going to be learning some post moves this summer as well. Orlando is easily the team to beat in the east.
Exactly, I think it is ebtter to let him walk than overpay him like they did lewis.
Hedo is a very very very dumb player that will make a deciding play every once in a while. I can't think of how they wouldn't be able to fill the gap if he chooses to depart.
maybe a sign and trade hedo for a quality 4?
this trade helps the cavs
Holy ...this is incredible. If Orlando keeps Gortat and gets some youngsters to fill the roster out they are going to be scary. Danny Ferry just crapped himself.
Wtf? Really? Holy crap.
Short term, Orlando got a star who can be electric when he's not being crazy... but having to give up Alston and Courtney Lee? Looks like EVERY team is loading up for this year.
3s that are the "height" of 4s, not the size of 4s. Both still get killed in the post by legit power forwards, which many of the top teams in the league have.
Sorry, thats what I meant, i guess i should have worded it better.
not sure about salaries but a S/T Hedo to someone like Portland for Outlaw/Sergio/Filler makes the magic deeper and more dangerous.
Nelson, Carter, and Hedo are all players who dominate the ball to be effective. Trading Hedo for a defensive stopper and spot up shooter helps the Magic a lot.
Well, at least we know Vince can finish at the rim.
If they do not resign Hedo, I do not think this was a great move by the Magic. Not a bad one, just not a smart one.
Hedo for 10M + Lee is better than VC and 16-17M for 2 more years (although I think his last year in not fully guaranteed).
It also depends on whether or not they get Gortat, and if they can fill out the roster..
Hedo and Lee might be a better value than VC, but they're not better. VC gives them a more consistent explosive scoring from the wing position than those two combined. When the best teams have guys like Kobe, LeBron, and Pierce, it's a bonus to have a guy that can go toe-to-toe with each of them and drop 35 points a night in a series. Not just once, but every game of a series. That's where Carter's value will really come. Plus, Vince is a pretty good low post offensive player for a guard. Hedo and Rashard are both face-up players or spot up shooters. And with Dwight still not consistent in the low post, this gives the Orlando offense a low post scorer. I like the deal for the Magic even if Hedo does not re-sign. In fact, I think it creates problems if Hedo does re-sign. Pietrus fits better as a role player and spot up shooter rather than a guy that needs and wants the ball in his hands on offense a lot.
JamStone covered it well, as usual..
another thing about Vince..if they make the Finals vs. LA, they'll be happy..Vince ALWAYS goes at Kobe on both sides..Kobe is by far the one guy that you can count on Vince bringing his A-game against..I don't know why, but that's just the way it is..
The first season where Vince switched teams was 2004-2005..that was arguably the best season of his career, where he carried a horrible Nets team with serious injuries to the playoffs..he was receiving MVP hype by a lot of people for the 2nd half of the season..
He is no longer that guy due to age, but you can expect the same effort..
The Carter trade puts their payroll at $66.75 million. That's enough room to bring Turkoglu back unless some idiot decides GM to pay him $10 million starting.
this is crazy if the magic somehow resigns turkoglu. all five starters on that team would be an all star. otherwise, it's just a dumb move. the magic were serious contenders last year until nelson went down. they still made it to the finals without their all star point guard. they basically traded away their entire bench for vince carter. if they keep turkoglu, it's pure genius because they won't need much of a bench next to pietrus.
But that $66.7 million doesn't include re-signing Gortat or getting a serviceable back-up center if they don't re-sign Gortat. Hedo is going to want at least $8-9 million a year. That's not enough room unless the Magic don't care how far past the luxury tax they'll go.
Not to mention they have Johnson as the back up point guard and Red as the back up shooting guards. That imo is not a lot of depth.
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