Rumor: Marion to Mavericks will be announced today

[angelbelow]

Marion and Banks must be best friends by now this will be the 3rd time they've been traded together.

haha didnt even realize that. they both suck but when packaged together the deal is somehow attractive.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He did trade Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk for Joe Johsnon, was able to get Boris Diaw and two first round picks when he was forced to trade Joe Johnson to the Hawks, drafted Amare Stoudemire when everyone else passed, signed Steve Nash when no one besides Dallas was interested, traded a young Steve Nash for a draft pick that became Shawn Marion, was able to convince New York to take Stephon Marbury AND Penny Hardaway's ridiculous contracts away without having to bribe them with a single first round pick (a la Seve Kerr) and even nailed one of the best MLE signings in the past five years when he picked up Raja Bell (how many other MLE signings made the first team all-defense?).

Hindsight is 20/20. And he's made some pretty savy moves while in Phoenix.

What kind of a in re ed considers trading Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw and 2 first round picks good?

Bryan Colangelo's moves that da_suns_fan didn't list since he's only been "da_suns_fan" since 2004:

• traded Dan Majerle for John "Hot Rod" Williams
• traded Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury
• signed Marbury and Penny to the ridiculous contracts you rave about him being able to trade.
• drafted Zarko Cabarkapa with the 17th overall pick
• drafted Casey Jacobsen over Teyshaun Prince
• traded the New York Knicks unprotected 2010 pick to Utah just to unload goog's ridiculous contract that he gave him
• traded Charles Barkley for the Sam Cassell poo poo platter
• traded the 2004 7th overall pick for nothing
• hired Frank Johnson as coach
• traded Stephen Jackson

[DPG21920]

The point is that he started with something, albeit not a great something, turned it into two brokedowns and a has-been that never-was, and is now going to get a career backup for it. Colangelo, like most decent NBA GMs has made a name for himself on some good triggers he has pulled (Amare, Nash) but has also missed badly (Bargnani, O'Neal), and he definitely is no genius GM. The media likes him because he talks, fans like him because he does make moves, and he has a good pedigree. But he isn't the guy I would hand the reigns over to if I were hunting for a championship.

No, with that progression Marion turned into Hedo, not Wright. So Hedo is arguably better than all of those players right now. Missed badly on Bargnani? How so? He has had 2 very good seasons out of 3 and is still young, athletic and 7 feet tall. He can still shoot the 3 and midrange.

Not to mention that does not change the fact that this is a good trade for Toronto for the reasons I outlined.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

just think about it, if the Suns still had Colangelo, THEY COULD BE AS GOOD AS THE RAPTORS!!!!

If they still had D'antoni, THEY COULD BE AS GOOD AS THE KNICKS!!!!

[Findog]

Isn't Sarver the guy that sold off all the picks?

[Findog]

I'm glad da_suns_fan is back. I'm willing to turn over a new leaf and accept him back into the fold.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Isn't Sarver the guy that sold off all the picks?

D'antoni is just as much of a culprit there, also lets not pretend the Colangelos were draft day gurus that made the most out of every pick. The Colangelos still had complete control of the team in 2004, they sold the 7th overall pick because they thought they were getting Kobe and wanted the cap room to sign him.

Since D'antoni left, the Suns haven't sold a single draft pick. The year they sold both the 21st and 27th overall pick, D'antoni was the GM and coach. Towards the end of the 2008 season when everyone was getting fed up with D'antoni, he had the classic line during a press conference, "I'm not here to develop players," that line certainly makes him look like someone who would want to sell draft picks.

[Obstructed_View]

Was it ever established how the Raps were going to be able to sign and trade Marion and still be able to sign Hedo? Who's the third team?

[da_suns_fan]

D'antoni is just as much of a culprit there, also lets not pretend the Colangelos were draft day gurus that made the most out of every pick. The Colangelos still had complete control of the team in 2004, they sold the 7th overall pick because they thought they were getting Kobe and wanted the cap room to sign him.

Since D'antoni left, the Suns haven't sold a single draft pick. The year they sold both the 21st and 27th overall pick, D'antoni was the GM and coach. Towards the end of the 2008 season when everyone was getting fed up with D'antoni, he had the classic line during a press conference, "I'm not here to develop players," that line certainly makes him look like someone who would want to sell draft picks.

You dont have the slightest idea what you are talking about. This post is filled with so many half-truths (and at least one complete fallacy) that I think you need a job as a politician.

[da_suns_fan]

Make that two complete fallacies.

The Suns didnt sell their 2004 pick. They traded it away to Chicago for the Bull's 2005 pick. They traded that with Q for Kurt Thomas.

Secondly, the Suns were never after Kobe Bryant. This has been well do ented.

[MajorMike]

I'm glad da_suns_fan is back. I'm willing to turn over a new leaf and accept him back into the fold.

True; every good board needs the local idiot.

[Why So Serious]

Marion would be better with kidd.

would be a good pickup.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You dont have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Coming from you that's a compliment.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Secondly, the Suns were never after Kobe Bryant. This has been well do ented.

Not according to Gambo and Ash who are generally right about what players the Suns go after.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Suns didnt sell their 2004 pick. They traded it away to Chicago for the Bull's 2005 pick. They traded that with Q for Kurt Thomas.

tomato/tomatoe, either way Bryan Colangelo sold a pick since he was GM in for both of those off seasons.

[da_suns_fan]

Not according to Gambo and Ash who are generally right about what players the Suns go after.

Well that explains it.

The Suns never even made a pitch to Kobe Bryant. Robert Sarver was interested and both Colangelos quickly told him "no" and the guy they really wanted was Nash.

[da_suns_fan]

tomato/tomatoe, either way Bryan Colangelo sold a pick since he was GM in for both of those off seasons.

Youre not even making sense.

Edit...not sure if Colangelo sold the Rudy Fernandez pick.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well that explains it.

The Suns never even made a pitch to Kobe Bryant. Robert Sarver was interested and both Colangelos quickly told him "no" and the guy they really wanted was Nash.

Even though that's not true, if it was it only adds to my argument that the Colangelos are re ed. Who the chooses Steve Nash over Kobe Bryant? Probably the same person that gives Angelina Macaroni a 5 year 50 million dollar extension but doesn't give Joe Johnson a 6 year 50 million dollar extension.

[Findog]

Was it ever established how the Raps were going to be able to sign and trade Marion and still be able to sign Hedo? Who's the third team?

They might have to throw in Humphries or Banks to make it work $$ wise. They can't take back ANY salary for Marion. Since today is signing day and they have to renounce his rights, doesn't this mean he gets traded today or set free? And the Mavs will then have to bid for his services like any other team? Which I don't think they can do since they used their MLE on Gortat.

[da_suns_fan]

Even though that's not true, if it was it only adds to my argument that the Colangelos are re ed. Who the chooses Steve Nash over Kobe Bryant? Probably the same person that gives Angelina Macaroni a 5 year 50 million dollar extension but doesn't give Joe Johnson a 6 year 50 million dollar extension.

Well I agree they should have pulled out all the stops to keep Joe. Especially how much he had obviously improved after Marbury was traded during the 2004 season.

But not giving him that contract wasnt Colangelo's call. In fact, the "rumor" (its never been confirmed) was the Colangelo Sr. told Sarver to give Joe what he wanted (the contract you are refering to) but Sarver said no.

To be fair, Sarver has said several times that it was a mistake. But I dont know why you are comparing his decision to "wait-n-see" with Joe to Colangelo's decision to extend this other guy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Colangelo never sold a pick.

If you don't consider trading a first round pick for a future first round pick you know will be lower and cash considerations selling a pick, then you're stupid. We both know they traded the 7th overall pick to save money, they didn't trade it because they thought they were getting a good deal. Stop acting like it's so black and white.

I'm not even blaming Colangelo for doing it, I'm blaming D'antoni. D'antoni was the common denominator during the 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 off season when all the picks were sold. No one else had an influence over the team for all 4 of those off seasons other than D'antoni.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well I agree they should have pulled out all the stops to keep Joe. Especially how much he had obviously improved after Marbury was traded during the 2004 season.

But not giving him that contract wasnt Colangelo's call. In fact, the "rumor" (its never been confirmed) was the Colangelo Sr. told Sarver to give Joe what he wanted (the contract you are refering to) but Sarver said no.

To be fair, Sarver has said several times that it was a mistake. But I dont know why you are comparing his decision to "wait-n-see" with Joe to Colangelo's decision to extend this other guy.

It was Colangelo's decision to "wait and see" with Joe, I hate Robert Sarver with a strong passion but the Colangelo's had complete control over personnel decisions during the 2004 off season.

I'm not talking about the 5 year 70 million dollar ATL contract, I'm talking about the 6 year 50 million dollar extension Joe wanted the year prior. Sarver had nothing to do with refusing to give Joe that money. My point is a that someone who wouldn't give JJ that money but would give nani the extension he got really doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

The Colangelos botched the Joe Johnson situation, and I don't fault Sarver at all for not giving him a 5 year 70 million dollar contract Atlanta offered, if he stayed on Phoenix and continued to do nothing other than play off ball as a shooting specialist in D'antoni's offense, he wouldn't be nearly the player he is today. The 2004-2005 Joe Johnson wasn't worth 5 year 70 million.

[Muser]

So is this dead or alive?

[DPG21920]

The Mavs would be out of the running if they cannot do a S&T. That is the only way. This is a win for the Mavs talent wise. No question Marion is better than Stackhouse. How much better is the question and how will he fit in is another? Will the benefits of having him at the 3 and Josh at the 2 be worth it for the overall good of the team? Who knows, but you have to do this trade if it is available.

Not to mention, I think it is a great trade for Toronto when they really could just let him go for nothing. Not only are they not taking on any salary, but they would be dumping Banks it looks like. Wright is not any good, but that is still better than Banks even from a basketball standpoint.

[Findog]

So is this dead or alive?

I think it's a 50/50 proposition.