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And thank for only helping my point. A large reason Dallas couldn't finish Miami off is because Dallas had no one who could get high percentage shots in the paint.
His numbers are better than Okur's in his first three years. Right now he his on pace to be better and he is a much better athlete than Okur. Okur averaged 17 and 7 with less than a block per game and he makes 9M. Bargs was not that far from that for the year and the second half of the season he was just as good if not better than that. Seems to be pretty fair value.
And thank for only helping my point. A large reason Dallas couldn't finish Miami off is because Dallas had no one who could get high percentage shots in the paint.
Ya, Okur averaged a whopping 11 minutes per game for his le. He did not lead his team.
If your goal was to win today, no way you take Al over Dirk. If your goal is way down the road, then yes, but only because of age. But you keep trying to bull around and not compare apples to apples.
Dirk is 10x better than Al if you look at Dirk's prime and he was an outside big, like Bargs. So your point about "all inside players are better or have rings" is not being intellectually honest.
Bargs is not going to lead his team to a ring, but he could help on a very good team for sure.
I said I didn't know who Roger Mason was. I didn't say I didn't watch other teams. You said I needed League Pass. I said I still wouldn't watch the Wizards even if I did.
Actually what I was trying to say is what I've been trying to say all along: Hoping that he scores more points is like hoping he suddenly starts grabbing more rebounds. He's not likely to be getting more touches, and he's not likely to be playing more minutes. He shoots a pretty good percentage so I'm puzzled how these scoring numbers are suddenly going to jump by 25 percent. Even so, they could probably have offered him the exact same contract a year from now and he'd have taken it.
Aside from taking issue with whoever incorrectly said he was the best player in his draft (which I could swear was you), saying it was premature is EXACTLY what I've been saying all along.
You should probably go back and find where I said that, because I don't recall saying anything of the sort. I said he's not the best player in his draft, and that overpaying him just because he was the number one pick is a mistake, as is overpaying him because you suddenly hope he's going to shoot 65 percent from three point range next year.
Yep, I was wrong about that, as I usually am with anything having to do with the rules of signing contracts. You explained it which is why I never mentioned it again.
Not exactly. I was making fun of you for suggesting that his contract was fair based on numbers that you pulled out of your ass. I just added to them, since that's what you can do with numbers you pull out of your ass. Doesn't have any basis in reality, and it's certainly no way to justify a contract extension.
I agree. I'll put all the previous hyperbole aside and adopt the wait-and-see approach. It seems like too much of a risk, since they could have waited, at very least, several months to re-sign him. He's a good player but I must admit I was shocked when I heard about the deal. I certainly wouldn't be annoyed if he scored 21 points per game next year and made you look like a genius.
If he does, you need to make sure to bump this thread.
So why can't the Wolves get out of the lottery with Al? Why could the Celtics not suck with Al even when he had Pierce? Why was KG able to come in and win a le and not Al? KG does not play down low, he shoots mid range jumpers.
You are being like a Ghazi or some other person that is trying to isolate little points that have no bearing and makes very little sense.
Softnani will never be starting on a championship team, that's what I'm saying.
Agreed. Menkge Bateer for 10m a year!
Because their 2nd best player last year was Randy Foye.
Did you just forget Ray Allen and James Posey or did you intentionally leave them out?
Also saying KG doesn't play down low is re ed. Yeah he settles for mid range jumpers too much but gets plenty of inside points, he's also not scared of contact like pussnani.
I don't get that O_V. He only averaged 31 MPG. He is on a similar trajectory as other scorers like him (Dirk, Okur...). Those guys did not hit the 20 PPG mark until their 3rd year of later and only after they averaged about 37-39 MPG.
When you look at Barg's numbers when he gets the 37+ MPG he is damn close to their production from a scoring standpoint.
In January this year, he averaged 35.6 MPG and you got 19.8 PPG from him.
In Feb this year, he averaged 36.8 MPG and you got 18 PPG from him.
In March this year, he averaged 33.3 MPG and you got 20 PPG from him.
In April this year, he averaged 33 MPG and you got 16 PPG from him.
Any time he has gotten those minutes up around 35+ he has been on 20PPG. He just signed a contract extension, had a good year and you would expect him to get those minutes. Will he for sure? I do not know. But I am not pulling numbers from my ass like you claim. They are based on what I have seen.
KG shoots turnaround jumpers from the high post. He's not an inside player, and he's not a low-post player. At least not nearly as much as he's made out to be.
Neither will Amare, why is he paid so much?
Neither will Boozer, why is he paid so much?
Yeah, you're right. The minutes are the key. As a good outside shooter I didn't see how he could increase his percentage, but if he's getting more minutes it makes sense. His touches seem like they're going to have to drop with Turoglu on board. How's he average 27 minutes per game the rest of the season? It's obviously not matchups.
Amare and Boozer are both over paid players.
WTF does that matter. By your weak ass standards, Jefferson is a beast and his down low game combined with Paul Pierce/Antonie Walker/Perkins/Delonte West should have been enough to beast.
The doctor said his yeast infection needed to heal.
Because he had a bad second year and he is only in his 3rd season. They are creeping up just like other players like him did.
Saying Bargnani does not go to the rim as much as KG is re ed. KG is a jump shooting pussy who hates contact and is not clutch.
Point out where I said all down low big men are better than all outside big men? I don't recall saying that.
Sorry, see my edit. I mean the other four months of the season. Seems kind of odd.
You are way dumber than I thought with your logic DOK, at least on this topic. You are being blinded by your hate for no reason trying to bash Bargs for no good reason.
His numbers are pretty good and moving up. He is paid about the same as a guy who puts up similar numbers as him in Okur, even though Bargs is ahead of Okur at the same point of their careers.
You talk about his shooting percentage as a big man, but do not understand how to evaluate things evenly (that is why I mentioned true shooting percentage in which Bargs is better than Aldridge).
Just general y hate for a guy who signed a contract. But par for the course from you with how you constantly bag on players (entire suns team).
So if Al never starts on a championship team does that mean you were completely wrong? Or is it *gasp* sometimes great players or good players or different players do not win rings???
Does not mean a perimeter big that is paid on the high end of fair with regards to players like him suck.
You can debate the timing of the contract, but it is not nearly bad enough of a contract to about the number imo.
You never answered my question because you know you're putting words in my mouth.
Forgive me for being dissatisfied with a team that is lazy and doesn't make the playoffs.
You were implying it. You said the "championship" thing then brought up Dirk. Then said you would take Dirk over Al, knowing full well that is only because of age.
If they were both in their primes, Dirk murders Al. Bargs in not as good as Dirk and will never be. But Dirk makes 21M, Bargs makes 10M. He is certainly not half the player Dirk is.
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