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nah, busto'd yesterday. ivey, esfandiari and jeff shulman are the last "big" names in alive with about 25 left. Ivey's lost about half of his starting stack today though, pretty rough start.
Wow, Dennis Phillips is still in it....
nah, busto'd yesterday. ivey, esfandiari and jeff shulman are the last "big" names in alive with about 25 left. Ivey's lost about half of his starting stack today though, pretty rough start.
Andrew Lichtenberger Eliminated in 18th Place ($500,557)
Andrew "LuckyChewy" Lichtenberger wasn't lucky enough to ride his deep run in the Main Event into a berth in the November Nine. He opened his last pot preflop for 400,000 and was called by Darvin Moon in position. The flop was all small cards, . Lichtenberger had to act first and bet 680,000 chips. Moon raised that bet to 1.5 million, then called when Lichtenberger moved all in! Lichtenberger: Moon: Lichtenberger was drawing at the last two jacks in the deck. Neither the turn nor the river was one of them. He's out in 18th place. Moon is now up to almost 25 million chips.
The fact is that if he would've went all in, he would've won. You bookreaders need to read that part of the story.
As soon as the flop came, he had the highest hand, the guy didn't have aces or he would've blew him away off the rip.
Everything made sense up to here. Could you translate the rest?
What did Moon have?
sound familiar? Dude had Kings and went all in and won the pot with a flop of small cards.....
I guess you all forgot that chapter....
Kings vs. Jacks
I see no problem with the fold either, except you are folding Kings! lol
There is only one pair that can beat that... one!!! No one slow plays aces dude, not after the flop, because Jim could've had trips...
Dude could've easily been slow playing a set of Qs or 8s in the original hand. Sure, it's a tough spot. But saying that "only one pair beats you" after the flop is pretty shortsighted. You can make a case for either folding or calling the shove there, like I said, Jim was in a tough spot.
yeah...what ifs... dude had kings.... the only reason he didn't call was because it was early in the tourney and he spent alot of money to get in...
I would've called it without thinking, in fact, I would've raised the blind big time, then I would've went all in on the flop. Without even thinking about it. Dude would've ran to the bathroom.
Poker is all about Luck. You have to gamble. You have to put down the rulebook. You have to change it up, you have to slow play, you have to play your 2 7 offsuit like you got the rockets.... all that .....
Noob come play poker with me anytime
Dude they have incredible courses everywhere up there. I kept commenting about that to Jess.No, Lansing.
I am surprised though, about how nice the golf courses are throughout the state. Then again, they are not open year round like in Texas!
Oh, and if you're folding on that flop you're so damn weak tight. I'm afraid of 2 whole hands there and I can think of several drawing hands. Bad fold.
Disagree. Your one of those donk internet players.
Big difference, if there were a queen on flop, Andrew Lichtenberger would not have gone all in with his jacks, would he? If I had that flop( all little cards), then I would have called because, Harley teeshirt guy could have had JJ or 10s and made move thinking he had a great chance to have best hand. But since there was a Q on board, I did not and nobody would have put him on JJ.
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As I said, any other tourney, any cash game, I call there. But after waiting a freaking year to redeem myself and make up for my 2 outter bad beat from last year, I wanted to play smart and not go out in 15 mins. But, in hindsight, I guess I should play my game and not worry about looking like a donkey walking out 1st in 2700 man tourney.....right?
Anyone ever suspect casinos and or players and or player/dealer combos of cheating?
Got a good one for ya. I folded 2/3u last night. Would have flopped a set and rivered a boat 33322. Small problem.
Winner and guy next to me had pocket 3s for quads.
Not the 1st time some shady crap has come down at this place.
Talk to the floor? Spare me. I have yet to see a floor anywhere truly do anything having to do with exposing cheating.
Even your post is weak tight. It doesn't matter how big the tourney is - you don't change your play. You lose to AA and QQ. Other sets really aren't likely given the action. AKs is behind you, AQ is way behin you. JJ is obviously way behind although I'd consider it unlikely. KQ is unlikey but possible.
I'm easily calling and if I just got sucked out on or was up against AA then I live with it but I'm not going to see monsters in every hand. If you're not getting it all in the flop here with KK when are you doing it?
how does he have quads if you have a 3 in your hand?
Maybe the board was 223xx and you had 23 and he had 33, so he had bigger boat.
That has happened to me a few times....you do not need to cheat for that cooler to occur.
When I turn a king.
Bells would have gone off in my head immediately as well, guy min raises under the gun, usually someone doing so has at the least AK or a big pair, Jim repops it, the guy smooth calls, I would smooth call if I had aces or queens, with aces as to not tip off the strength of my hand, with queens to see a flop and re-evaluate. It's the first orbit of the tourney, this is when donks overplay their hands and get knocked out early, or when solid players put all of their chips in with very solid hands. If I'm correct it was 2-4 hands into the tourney, so for Jim to figure out if this guy was one of the early donks or a solid player putting his chips in with a monster is a complete coin flip. its best to err on the side of caution. He is not crippled with $3200 chips remaining and hour long blind levels.
Tourneys are a game of patience, you do not want to call an all in early in a tourney with this blind strucutre holding only a pair. Period. You say not going all in on the flop is weak however in my opinion its overplaying the hand, especially with the min raise utg and smooth call. Its a really ty spot to be in early in a tourney but its only one hand and one you should be able to get away from in these tourneys without a whole lot of remorse, if you get outplayed happens. Usually early in a tourney someone making this play has a set or pocket aces. This wasn't the case unfortunately for Jim but theres quite the argument to fold in this situation a few hands into the tourney. Its not like you havent been bluffed off a hand before Manny, everyone has been. KK is a great starting hand but at the end of the day its a pair. Even if the guy has AK suited and you call you are just about flipping there and this early in the tourney flipping is not what you want to do.
That being said if you saw this guy out firing and buying pots in previous hands, instacall may come into play or instashove. My opinions are solely based on the info Jim has given us and a couple of hands in its very hard to have any kind of read on a player. And Jim has lost not quite a third of his stack in one hand, so what, Ive come back from much shorter stacks and won or cashed in tourneys. If its the $65 tourey at the Sahara, Im probably gonna get all my chips in and rebuy if I bust but this was a whole other can of worms.
I dont think i've seen such a false statement in my life. Blind structures and starting chip stacks totally play a part in certain decisions in tourneys.
Im guessing your poker prowess is mostly online with all of the gunslingers.
You and I are totally on same page and probably are very similar poker players. I think there are about 65% of the players that would have called there, and 35% of us fold there under the cir stances. You're right, Phil Helmuth folds there 15 mins into the Main Event, not because he is affraid to lose 10K buyin so quickly, but because he looks forward to that tourney all year, and if he is to go broke, he wants it to be in a better spot, and after he has enough information from the player to make an educated guess about where he stands. As I said, if this were an young gun internet type that wants to ac ulate chips at an accelerated pace, then I would probably call. I had no info on this guy at all, seeing as though this was our 5th hand of the tourney.
In hindsight, I call.
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