Ashe actually lives in Oregon though, which may throw Portland into play if this falls through.
Again, it's a good thing you don't run a business.
From a business perspective there is absolutely no reason why the Lakers should outbid themselves. None. Nada. Zippo. Always remove personal feelings from any business deal.
You act is if 36/4 is not a fair deal, that's very fair and IMHO a good estimation of what Lamar is worth. Also realize that every penny Buss spends is doubled since the Lakers are over the cap. Buss did his part, if LO walks Laker fans won't put that on him.
I think my post before explains this. Normally you do not outbid yourself, but just for an example lets say this:
Kobe is a free agent in a terrible economy and year where there are only two teams under the cap (one can offer 10M per year another can offer 12M per year).
Kobe comes to the Lakers and says I want a max contract and they know he is worth somewhere close to that, but they say "lets see what the market is for you..."
Well since the market is poor, the Lakers know the odds are in their favor. That does not mean Kobe is only worth 12M per year. It means there are abnormal market cir stances that cannot be taken on face value.
This is what is happening to Lamar to a lesser degree obviously. That is why the bid against yourself argument is not entirely accurate imo. But the puzzling thing is the Lakers did not really do that and they offered him a fair contract. This is very strange.
exactly. and i love how blind laker fan is at the moment...i think its funny. further, its not lamar odom's fault the lakers have to pay double his contract in luxury tax...its a moot point in fairness.
besides...
Are you that dense? I clearly said the Lakers offered him a fair deal. It is a good thing you do not run a business, because you are to inside the box and have no loyalty.
You are probably a guy who hates marketing because you cannot directly trace it to ROI all the time even though the profits are there in the end.
The luxury tax is of no concern to LO and that should not play a part in negotiations. He is not getting that tax money. The luxury tax does not change his worth.
I am not saying bid against yourself, but you are foolish if you think you can capitalize on a market anomaly in order to accurately gauge his value. I think 9M is a fair offer and fits my criteria that I outlined.
So yes, they are "bidding against themselves" but that does not mean he is not worth it just because the market sucks. Go to business school.
Smartest thing you've said so far. The Lakers gave Lamar a very fair offer and he turned it down. It's not on them if he doesn't resign, they did their part.
There is a reason why Buss is such a successful owner. He always gives his players a fair shake. He doesn't try to squeeze every last penny like some owners. Never has.
Business school will tell you exactly what I just did. The market will dictate the price of the goods. If LO is unhappy with that he can sign a 1 year deal and try again next season for his big payday. But he doesn't want to take that risk. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too.
Wrong. Why was he so loose with Sasha/Luke/Bynum and now playing hardball with Odom when he brings more to the table than those players combined? Did he just take a business class this year? He did give Lamar a fair shake imo, but that is not the point.
Your B.S. "let the market dictate" argument is invalid to A CERTAIN DEGREE. You are trying to take advantage of a loop hole in the market that everyone with common business sense can see is artificially drowning out the market.
If you want to play that game, then do it. See if Lamar walks? Who knows? But your business sense is so textbook and you failing to evaluate all of the conditions shows this.
Obviously you have not read a thing I have said, because I said this a long time ago.
Is there a link about this?
Anybody ever stop and think he might be a Dolphins fan?Nobody ever thought about that did they..
Everyone makes mistakes. Both Sasha and Luke had great contract seasons, there was no way for Buss to know that both of them would stink it up afterwards. Had both of these players continued and improved upon their contract year performances they would not be seen as horrid contracts.
Lamar is different because the situation is different. LA's payroll is already sky high. He's 29 years old and already has a ring. How much motivation will he have to give it his all each night? He's been entirely too inconsistent over his career to warrant overpaying and giving him All-Star money. Especially when nobody else is going to come close.
You obviously don't want to disrespect Lamar, which is not what Buss did. So I don't even know why you are still responding because you don't have a point. Iron Mexican is right, you ing never shutup.
Where did I say any of that? You are ing idiot which is why everyone hates you. I said the Lakers did a good job, but that your lame ass argument and telling people that "thank god they do not run a business.." was stupid.
Why are you responding? Please STFU before 100 more people add you to their worst posters on ST list.
P.S. : IM hates you. So do the rest of Laker fans. Not even your own kind likes you.
Says the man who would fire everyone on the team 20 games in for a regular season loss, and would openly announce that there is "no way" they're winning a championship during a playoff run.
No other team could pay the max amount the Lakers paid Kobe back in 2004, but the Lakers gave him the max. Why is that? Why didn't they just match what the Clippers offered? When the Lakers give Kobe's next extension, will it be only for as much as any other team can pay him or will they give him the max extension no other team can give him?
That is exactly what I said. Thank you. The great business mind Dr.House failed to account for that market variable.
Then he gets mad when he cannot answer and says shut up, even though this a forum discussion and people go back and forth.
Maybe he just feels insulted by the way he is being treated... just like Ariza did...
ahhhhh so Lamar is Kobe status now.
why is everyone so patient with dr house? imo he shud jus be treated as a joke and ignored like sequ ... really pointless waste of time ...
ahh so its an insult to NOT overpay someone...ok
your getting worked up by DR. House....
You don't understand the point.
No not really, it is just fun to needle him like always. He is the only one I really go after. Just like when I say second place is the first loser
your getting worked up by DR. House....
The only time I get into long arguments really is with him (except with Allanon, but at least those are usually basketball related)
The point is not about who is better....The point is there is a flaw in the let the market determine the worth argument sometimes.
I think we're trying to distill this argument into black or white, when the reality is many factors come into play in these negotiations.
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