Matt Barnes to Orlando

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well the Suns are a prime example of how changing your entire team mid-season can it up forever.

People who actually think the Suns would have done anything that season if they kept Marion are a prime example of stupidity.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Didnt mean Marion.

Meant Bell and Diaw and wanting that goon Shaq.

"that goon" with 4 championships who was their best player last season

And @ saying trading Bell and Diaw hurt them. Bell demanded a trade and Diaw was as lazy as it gets.

[JamStone]

Well the Suns are a prime example of how changing your entire team mid-season can it up forever.

Mid July is not mid-season for the NBA.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You also got J-Rich and Barnes, who combine equal to negative 100000000 on the IQ scale!

The signed Barnes, Dudley was the other player in the trade.

And that trade didn't help them and didn't hurt them. All it did was give a little flexibility cause J-Rich's contract expires a year before Diaw's.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Mid July is not mid-season for the NBA.

?????

[Rogue]

Nelson/ Alston/Lawson
Pietrus/ Lee/Red
Turk/ Outlaw/G.Wallace/Maggette
Lewis/ Milsap/Bass
Howard/ Gortat

It's talent-wasting to own 3 superstars and a decent starting-caliber player at the same position, obviously such a squad can't last long until there comes kind of an implosion. jajajajajaja

[BUMP]

?????

He's talking about Orlando

[JamStone]

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Yeah, silly me.

I was thinking he was tying in what he said about the Suns to the actual topic of the thread instead of just randomly blasting Suns and Suns fan when he talked about "mid-season" trades ing up franchises.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yeah, silly me.

I was thinking he was tying in what he said about the Suns to the actual topic of the thread instead of just randomly blasting Suns and Suns fan when he talked about "mid-season" trades ing up franchises.

Idk if that was I hidden jab at me but I was relating it to the thread. I was saying that the 2007 Suns are an example of why the Magic needed to make so many improvements.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well it was about standing PAT and the Suns do fit the example of ing up midseason by overhauling

I would make a thread about this but I don't wanna get pinked, so I'm gonna post this in show the in re ed people who think the Shaq trade was bad why it needed to be done. For the first 50 games of the 2007-2008 season when the Suns didn't have Shaq, these are the games big men were having against them:

Ilgauskas: 22 points, 13 rebounds.......7 offensive
Shaq: 25 points, 10 rebounds........6 offensive
Howard: 33 points, 18 rebounds......7 offensive
Ming: 31 points, 13 rebounds........3 offensive
Howard: 30 points, 23 rebounds.......5 offensive
Jefferson: 32 points, 20 rebounds.........6 offensive
Bosh: 42 points, 13 rebounds........6 offensive
Bynum: 28 points, 12 rebounds........8 offensive
Jefferson: 39 points, 15 rebounds.......8 offensive
Duncan: 36 points, 17 rebounds.......6 offensive
Bogut: 29 points, 11 rebounds........3 offensive
Bogut: 19 points, 13 rebounds........5 offensive
Jermain O'neal: 30 points, 11 rebounds......2 offensive
Ilgauskas: 21 points, 10 rebounds.......5 offensive
Chandler: 19 points, 10 rebounds......6 offensive
Kaman:22 points, 20 rebounds........6 offensive
Eddy Curry: 21 points, 8 rebounds......5 offensive


All of those occured over the same 50 game stretch. Should a team with that kind of interior defense not be making any trades at all?

[weebo]

Excellent post. I agree 100% and Feel the EXACT same about the Lakers ...how many teams have repeated or made return trips to the FINALS with the WHOLE cast staying EXACTLY the same? You need a move (especially a vet that's never been there) like a Carter or an Artest to bring some of that "hunger, that thirst" for a le. Defending champs have a unique swagger to them the helps pulls out close games but there is also a fine line between that swagger and complacency... some changes help alleviate that ...
No way Rox repeat without Drexler ...being a GREAT example of this ...the standing pat or losing guys have failed the Spurs, Pistons and the Celts hopefull the Lakers don't ...

And you can always make the case that adding new vets like Carter and Artest can be a detriment to the cohesion of a championship group. I really don't buy this notion that changing the cast will automatically make the team hungrier.

You lose Ariza, Hedo, and even possibly Odom and bring in new pieces that might not fit and so long championship run. The only way it works if the players involved can assimilate themselves into the system. The fill the void that was left behind and then some.

BTW, the Spurs have never stood pat after a championship aside from their big four (TD, Manu, TP, and BB). That's the problem see--bringing new faces (old at that) that didn't fit well into the system.

[jack sommerset]

That guy is a pretty good player for that team. He can get streaky with the 3 ball, gives them more toughness. Not going to get them to the finals because of what the Cavs,Celtics did this off season but alot of teams would like to have him.

[Killakobe81]

And you can always make the case that adding new vets like Carter and Artest can be a detriment to the cohesion of a championship group. I really don't buy this notion that changing the cast will automatically make the team hungrier.

You lose Ariza, Hedo, and even possibly Odom and bring in new pieces that might not fit and so long championship run. The only way it works if the players involved can assimilate themselves into the system. The fill the void that was left behind and then some.

BTW, the Spurs have never stood pat after a championship aside from their big four (TD, Manu, TP, and BB). That's the problem see--bringing new faces (old at that) that didn't fit well into the system.

Spurs fans explaining how to repeat ... LOL!!! Just kidding ...

How many teams have repeated since the Celts did it we have Lakers one 3 peat once, Pistons once , Bulls 3 peat twice, Rockets once ...all teams made some major deals EXCEPT Bulls and 3 peat Lakers because thet had two dominant stars and only need to tinker with role players ...

For example on this site even BEFORE manu got hurt the past few years many where calling for the return of Capt SJAX or VC trade because they knew Spurs did not have enough to repeat, or get back to FInals ...
But Spurs stood pat for the most part and lost ground ...
Pop finally admitted his mistake traded key vet Bowen for RJ signed dice ...now that is how you approach a le even aFTER you win one ...

Heck even Celts could argue healthy KG, they win le but yet they make moves ...

[Culburn369]

Pop finally admitted his mistake

Ipso facto, breaking his [mistake cherry] in the process.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Orlando is stacked and has gotten better since last year. Anyone who doesn't agree is kind of crazy.

[JamStone]

And you can always make the case that adding new vets like Carter and Artest can be a detriment to the cohesion of a championship group. I really don't buy this notion that changing the cast will automatically make the team hungrier.

You lose Ariza, Hedo, and even possibly Odom and bring in new pieces that might not fit and so long championship run. The only way it works if the players involved can assimilate themselves into the system. The fill the void that was left behind and then some.

BTW, the Spurs have never stood pat after a championship aside from their big four (TD, Manu, TP, and BB). That's the problem see--bringing new faces (old at that) that didn't fit well into the system.

Every team in the league changes at least a little bit every season. We're talking about making a significant or major move.

The Spurs haven't made a lot of major moves unless out of necessity (Robinson retiring). Bringing in new players who are valued at the MLE or less isn't a major move most of the time.

During the Shaq-Kobe Lakers three-peat, they made changes each time, from Glen Rice to JR Rider to Mitch Richmond for additional perimeter scoring.

[Culburn369]

Orlando is stacked and has gotten better since last year. Anyone who doesn't agree is kind of crazy.

They've added a mish mash of waiver wire materiel.

Signed,

- kind of crazy

[JamStone]

Well it was about standing PAT and the Suns do fit the example of ing up midseason by overhauling

Idk if that was I hidden jab at me but I was relating it to the thread. I was saying that the 2007 Suns are an example of why the Magic needed to make so many improvements.

I dont think its a jab, but it did fit into the topic.

My point was that if it was a comment to tie into Orlando making moves, I was saying it wasn't directly relevant since Orlando is not making these changes "midseason." Mid July is not in the middle of the NBA season like the changes the Suns made.

[Culburn369]

Mitch Richmond for additional perimeter scoring.

He couldn't stop shaking long enough to draw a bead after lighting in LA County. No problem at all up North, though. Tracy Murray Jr.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

My point was that if it was a comment to tie into Orlando making moves, I was saying it wasn't directly relevant since Orlando is not making these changes "midseason." Mid July is not in the middle of the NBA season like the changes the Suns made.

I was saying the Suns stood pat during the 2007 off season and it wound up killing them.

[JamStone]

I was saying the Suns stood pat during the 2007 off season and it wound up killing them.

But my post that you "????" was directed at Mr. Balkman for the "midseason" comment.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But my post that you "????" was directed at Mr. Balkman for the "midseason" comment.

Got it.

[all_heart]

Orlando is stacked and has gotten better since last year. Anyone who doesn't agree is kind of crazy.

I'm not convinced VC will work out in Orlando, I think he's lost his heart and I'm not sure how he'll get along w/coach Van Gundy. He expects a lot and if he has to call out VC, I'm not sure how VC will respond. Matt Barnes showed some promise a few years ago in GS, but then he went to Phx.. so of course his IQ is considered low...

[Ghazi]

Jefferson

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Matt Barnes showed some promise a few years ago in GS, but then he went to Phx.. so of course his IQ is considered low...

If you think Matt Barnes never had a shot selection problem prior to last year then go die.