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    He did slow down Bird better than most and what does athletic have to do with being great? Duncan is far less athletic than Amare, Dirk KG even Shaq in his prime ...who would you want on your team heck evenb David was more athletic but Duncan is wayy better silly argument ...Pierce also is not super athletic but he torched the more athletic lebron and in some cases Kobe last year ...
    Larry Bird is a HOf'er and I bet you who would torch Bowen, battier or any athletic defender of this era anyone that does not give respect to Birds game really dont know ball and should watch the Larry Legend DVD ...When Rodman still played GREAT defense on the Pistons insteda of the clown prince on the Bulls he could not stop Bird either so what?!
    WOW the Jordan love is so blinding we are taking shots at Bird and Cooper?! Dunc and Dave should changed his name to Dumb & dumber IF you believe this pile of crap you shoveling ...
    I yield on this arguement. You're right Larry Bird would torch Bowen, for the same reason Dirk torches Bowen. When you have a guy that is 6'9" and has range past the 3pt line, it's gonna be hard to shut them down completely. They can get their shot over a shorter defender whenever they want.

    Can't blame Cooper for that one, I was wrong. But Cooper was also thin as a rail (as were MOST NBA players in the 80's: guess they were afraid lifting weights would hurt their shots?). Cooper would not be able to stop Jordan from posting him near the FT line and dropping that turnaround fadeaway Jordan perfected, nor stop him from getting to the rim with Jordan's quickness and athleticism. Jordan and Pippen were LIGHT YEARS ahead of Cooper and Wirthy (also thin as a rail) when it came to pyhsical strength. Cooper on Jordan would be like Shawn Bradley trying to stop Shaq from posting him up. It is a HUGE mismatch in the strength department.

    Not saying Cooper would get torched.... well... yeah, actually I am saying Cooper would get torched by Jordan because NO ONE was ever able to shut him down. Many tried to be Jordan stoppers and none were successful.
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    ok genius let me break it down in simple terms so you so you can understand Im guessing you didnt watch much 80's ball or were too young to really grasp it ...so let me school you ...
    1. I never said Magic was better I said the Lakers team was better which you even admitted they had a better bench ...duh
    2. Cooper being rail thin - Bowen isnt a mass of muscles but I have seen him do a heck of a job on Lebron James who is all muscle ...Coop was a great defender but his prime and Mj's prime only overlapped slightly ..i agree though MJ could score on anyone as could any great offensive player
    3. Again with first team AL NBA - doesnt mean much to me but he deserved it for carrying that weak sauce team to the FINALS they were good but not showtime good that year (sorry i have high standards maybe you do not) ...Portland had a better record that year, but still lost ...I never said Magic was washed up ...but his time had passed ...just like the Pistons teams Mj COULD NOT beat when it was time he did ...
    4. I did not make injury excuses ...I just pointed out that Mj did not beat the same Laker team Bird did ...Let me give you a Spur example: So the Lakers beat the Spurs in '08 and Mavs did the same ....so that means the '08 Lakers by your ignorant reasoning Could of beat the SPurs in '07, '05 '03 heck even '99 because they beat THAT Spurs franchise team 2-8 years later ...really?! Same for Mavs? So the '09 Magis are better than the '08Celts really? You felt that way watching teh Finals genius? Really?!
    5. 9 appearances in the Finals means nothing LMAO ...so the Celts meant nothing cuz East was weak or the Pistons les now that the East is ?...This comment alone gives you little credibilty
    6. Dudes in the 80's could shoot jumpers these are not layups and dunks.. riddle me this pick the 10 best shooters of the 90's and let's have them deal with this squad in both 3pt and FT: Bird, Mullin, Byron Scott, Dale Ellis, Alex English, Isiah, Sleepy Floyd, Kiki Vandewege and Rolando Blackmon and all of these guys were stars not specialists like in the 90's like the Currys Leglers Paxson and Hodges ...
    7. Look i understand you prefer 90's ball and that is cool the players are more athletic than the 80's but the league was weak because when Mj retired (baseball)we had one of the lowest rated FINALS ...no one well few wanted to see brick after brick some of it was defense no doubt ...but the league had shifted to athletes insted of players dunkers instead of shooters ...the NBA has just started to get back to great ball the early part of this decade with the Lakers & Spurs
    8. Again Mj was great bulls slightly overrated and you my friend are not very bright or too young to realize what great ball was really about. The west in the 80's had the Mavs of Tarpley, AguireDerek Harper and Blackmon, Spurs had Gilmore, Gervin and Moore, Rockets had Twin towers Mad Max and Reid, Sonics had Xman, Ellis, Chambers & Sikma Gstate had Mullin, Caroll, Floyd Teagle and Purvis Short, Portland had Drexler, Porter, Kersey Duck Utah had Eaton, stockton malone and thurl Bailey


    Are you telling me any of those teams in the 80's West are not better than: their counterparts right now? Maybe Tlong wouldnt make that trade but any of those franchises would trade their 90's or 00's oster for those guys problem was THEY could NOT get by LA just like Bulls did in the 90's (for the rest of the EAST) but those teams in the 80' were WAYYYYYY better! Expansion had diluted the talent pool in the 90's anyone that does not see that is blind ...and we could be facing teh same with the recession there is now a HUGE divide at the start of this decade between the haves: Lakers, Celts, Spurs Magic & cavs and the bottom feeders: Bobcats, Twolves, Grizz Nets
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    Plus Duc & dave 3 points you ignored:
    1. How old were you in the 80's ...
    2. If athleticism and muscles are so key to defense how is it that duncan is a better defender than amare or even Howard but i will say Dwight was a beast this past year
    3. You firs said Magic couldnt hold Mj's jockstrap ...but yet give so much credit for Mj beating him ...and talk about ALL nba defense and DPY but yet discredit Coops
    4. Or Explain how a team with 1 maybe 2 HOF'ers/ALL NBA'er (which you place soo much credit on) can beat a team with 3 HOF's (4 if McAdoo in 85 is included) and a DPOY?

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    ok genius let me break it down in simple terms so you so you can understand Im guessing you didnt watch much 80's ball or were too young to really grasp it ...so let me school you ...
    1. I never said Magic was better I said the Lakers team was better which you even admitted they had a better bench ...duh
    2. Cooper being rail thin - Bowen isnt a mass of muscles but I have seen him do a heck of a job on Lebron James who is all muscle ...Coop was a great defender but his prime and Mj's prime only overlapped slightly ..i agree though MJ could score on anyone as could any great offensive player
    3. Again with first team AL NBA - doesnt mean much to me but he deserved it for carrying that weak sauce team to the FINALS they were good but not showtime good that year (sorry i have high standards maybe you do not) ...Portland had a better record that year, but still lost ...I never said Magic was washed up ...but his time had passed ...just like the Pistons teams Mj COULD NOT beat when it was time he did ...
    4. I did not make injury excuses ...I just pointed out that Mj did not beat the same Laker team Bird did ...Let me give you a Spur example: So the Lakers beat the Spurs in '08 and Mavs did the same ....so that means the '08 Lakers by your ignorant reasoning Could of beat the SPurs in '07, '05 '03 heck even '99 because they beat THAT Spurs franchise team 2-8 years later ...really?! Same for Mavs? So the '09 Magis are better than the '08Celts really? You felt that way watching teh Finals genius? Really?!
    5. 9 appearances in the Finals means nothing LMAO ...so the Celts meant nothing cuz East was weak or the Pistons les now that the East is ?...This comment alone gives you little credibilty
    6. Dudes in the 80's could shoot jumpers these are not layups and dunks.. riddle me this pick the 10 best shooters of the 90's and let's have them deal with this squad in both 3pt and FT: Bird, Mullin, Byron Scott, Dale Ellis, Alex English, Isiah, Sleepy Floyd, Kiki Vandewege and Rolando Blackmon and all of these guys were stars not specialists like in the 90's like the Currys Leglers Paxson and Hodges ...
    7. Look i understand you prefer 90's ball and that is cool the players are more athletic than the 80's but the league was weak because when Mj retired (baseball)we had one of the lowest rated FINALS ...no one well few wanted to see brick after brick some of it was defense no doubt ...but the league had shifted to athletes insted of players dunkers instead of shooters ...the NBA has just started to get back to great ball the early part of this decade with the Lakers & Spurs
    8. Again Mj was great bulls slightly overrated and you my friend are not very bright or too young to realize what great ball was really about. The west in the 80's had the Mavs of Tarpley, AguireDerek Harper and Blackmon, Spurs had Gilmore, Gervin and Moore, Rockets had Twin towers Mad Max and Reid, Sonics had Xman, Ellis, Chambers & Sikma Gstate had Mullin, Caroll, Floyd Teagle and Purvis Short, Portland had Drexler, Porter, Kersey Duck Utah had Eaton, stockton malone and thurl Bailey


    Are you telling me any of those teams in the 80's West are not better than: their counterparts right now? Maybe Tlong wouldnt make that trade but any of those franchises would trade their 90's or 00's oster for those guys problem was THEY could NOT get by LA just like Bulls did in the 90's (for the rest of the EAST) but those teams in the 80' were WAYYYYYY better! Expansion had diluted the talent pool in the 90's anyone that does not see that is blind ...and we could be facing teh same with the recession there is now a HUGE divide at the start of this decade between the haves: Lakers, Celts, Spurs Magic & cavs and the bottom feeders: Bobcats, Twolves, Grizz Nets
    1. The better team always wins 7 game series (unless the NBA intervenes, like in 2002), so the 91 Bulls were a better team than the 91 Lakers. More firepower doe not mean your TEAM is better.

    2.Glad we agree Cooper would not be able to handle MJ.

    3. Portland's better '91 regular season record doesn't mean they'll win in the playoffs. Just ask the 2007 Mavs. I watched every game of that LA v. Portland series and knew from the start the Lakers would win that series. Magic saved the day with his heads up move to throw the ball in the air to avoid the foul at the end of the game. And for Magic being past his prime, you're reaching there. A guy who makes 1st Team ALL NBA is not past his prime. And the Pistons beating MJ proves my point that the East was a tougher road to the Finals in the 90s than what the 80s Lakers had to face.

    4. You talked about Worthy's knees, Magic playing so many playoff games taking it's toll. Sounds like injury excuses to me... As for your hypothetical Spurs stuff, you obviously didn't read my posts before you started insulting me. Kinda makes you look like an ass when you accuse people of things they didn't do and then ridicule them for those same things.
    EX: I never said that because the Bulls beat the 91 Lakers that means they could beat the 80's Lakers. The 91 Lakers-Bulls Finals was used as an example for lakaluva to prove that Jordan COULD hang with Magic, since he wiped the floor with him. Magic and MJ were both 1st Team All NBA and Worthy was only 29, still in his prime, proof that Jordan was better. That's why I even showed both benches to prove that Jordan won that series DESPITE having a weaker team than the Lakers that year. But yeah, those weren't the showtime Lakers, since Kareem and Cooper were gone. How could anyone prove that a team from one decade could beat one from another decade? Not happening without a time machine...

    5. The teams you mentioned won the Finals. The 5 les Magic won were well deserved. They beat the best from both conferences. The other 4 Finals losses mean nothing when they didn't have to go through tough teams that beat you up on the way to the Finals, like the Bulls did with Detroit and their Jordan Rules, the Knicks with Starks, and the Celtics early in Jordan's career. The Lakers beat some one-trick ponies and swept alot of their 1st and 2nd round foes in those other years, then lost in the Finals when they finally played a real team. Yes, even my beloved Spurs with Gervin were a one trick pony in the 80's that would have been destroyed by the Celtics, Sixers, etc, since 3 of the 4 years they played the Lakers, they got SWEPT.

    Examples:
    -In 89 the Lakers didn't lose a game in the playoffs until they reached the Finals, then they got swept!!!
    -In '84, they only lost 3 games in 3 rounds before reaching the Finals. Same thing in 83 except the Sixers swept them.

    6. Again, in a game of horse the 80's win. Nut put a man in their face and those open jumpshots become contested shots and watch their % fall.

    7. Obviously, you prefer style over substance. Some will never appreciate basketball the way it is supposed to be played. I am a bball purist. I could care less how many dunks and behind the back passes my team makes, as long as they win the game. It's okay if you have a short attention span, most of the country does, which is why the media promotes teams that are all about style and hoeps the teams that are all about substance will just crawl away and die, because our "low TV ratings" our ruining the game.

    8. Expansion did water down the NBA to some degree, but it also helped the have nots, catch up to the haves. In the 80's you had 3 or 4 teams with all the best players and everyone else just hoping to make some money off s few playoff games. In the 90's the compe ion was more widespread, which makes for better basketball. I'd rather see a game go down to the wire than watch the 80s Lakers beat up on some poor team and win by 30.
    By the way, a lot of the teams you metnioned were in their prime in the 90s. Portland was in the 90 and 91 Finals. The Jazz were a MUCH better team in the 90s and so was Godlen State with Run TMC.

    You'd rather look good and lose, I'd rather win UGLY. So be it...

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    1. The better team always wins 7 game series (unless the NBA intervenes, like in 2002), so the 91 Bulls were a better team than the 91 Lakers. More firepower doe not mean your TEAM is better.

    2.Glad we agree Cooper would not be able to handle MJ.

    3. Portland's better '91 regular season record doesn't mean they'll win in the playoffs. Just ask the 2007 Mavs. I watched every game of that LA v. Portland series and knew from the start the Lakers would win that series. Magic saved the day with his heads up move to throw the ball in the air to avoid the foul at the end of the game. And for Magic being past his prime, you're reaching there. A guy who makes 1st Team ALL NBA is not past his prime. And the Pistons beating MJ proves my point that the East was a tougher road to the Finals in the 90s than what the 80s Lakers had to face.

    4. You talked about Worthy's knees, Magic playing so many playoff games taking it's toll. Sounds like injury excuses to me... As for your hypothetical Spurs stuff, you obviously didn't read my posts before you started insulting me. Kinda makes you look like an ass when you accuse people of things they didn't do and then ridicule them for those same things.
    EX: I never said that because the Bulls beat the 91 Lakers that means they could beat the 80's Lakers. The 91 Lakers-Bulls Finals was used as an example for lakaluva to prove that Jordan COULD hang with Magic, since he wiped the floor with him. Magic and MJ were both 1st Team All NBA and Worthy was only 29, still in his prime, proof that Jordan was better. That's why I even showed both benches to prove that Jordan won that series DESPITE having a weaker team than the Lakers that year. But yeah, those weren't the showtime Lakers, since Kareem and Cooper were gone. How could anyone prove that a team from one decade could beat one from another decade? Not happening without a time machine...

    5. The teams you mentioned won the Finals. The 5 les Magic won were well deserved. They beat the best from both conferences. The other 4 Finals losses mean nothing when they didn't have to go through tough teams that beat you up on the way to the Finals, like the Bulls did with Detroit and their Jordan Rules, the Knicks with Starks, and the Celtics early in Jordan's career. The Lakers beat some one-trick ponies and swept alot of their 1st and 2nd round foes in those other years, then lost in the Finals when they finally played a real team. Yes, even my beloved Spurs with Gervin were a one trick pony in the 80's that would have been destroyed by the Celtics, Sixers, etc, since 3 of the 4 years they played the Lakers, they got SWEPT.

    Examples:
    -In 89 the Lakers didn't lose a game in the playoffs until they reached the Finals, then they got swept!!!
    -In '84, they only lost 3 games in 3 rounds before reaching the Finals. Same thing in 83 except the Sixers swept them.

    6. Again, in a game of horse the 80's win. Nut put a man in their face and those open jumpshots become contested shots and watch their % fall.

    7. Obviously, you prefer style over substance. Some will never appreciate basketball the way it is supposed to be played. I am a bball purist. I could care less how many dunks and behind the back passes my team makes, as long as they win the game. It's okay if you have a short attention span, most of the country does, which is why the media promotes teams that are all about style and hoeps the teams that are all about substance will just crawl away and die, because our "low TV ratings" our ruining the game.

    8. Expansion did water down the NBA to some degree, but it also helped the have nots, catch up to the haves. In the 80's you had 3 or 4 teams with all the best players and everyone else just hoping to make some money off s few playoff games. In the 90's the compe ion was more widespread, which makes for better basketball. I'd rather see a game go down to the wire than watch the 80s Lakers beat up on some poor team and win by 30.
    By the way, a lot of the teams you metnioned were in their prime in the 90s. Portland was in the 90 and 91 Finals. The Jazz were a MUCH better team in the 90s and so was Godlen State with Run TMC.

    You'd rather look good and lose, I'd rather win UGLY. So be it...
    I never said i like style over substance ...where in my post did you see that?! You still never answered how old you were ...so i guess you either are basing your observations off of stats, history books or NBA classic games.

    1. You were the genius that said Magic Johnson could not hold MJ's jockstrap and called Bird an unathletic superstar...right there your cedibilty is shot!!
    2. You make it sound Like Bird or Mullin etc had no hands in their face watch the tape because there was less so called athleticism and not everyoine could hang in the air ala MJ shots had to be shot over people watch Isiah on the 3rd quarter in '88 most of those shots contested ...heavily
    3. I agree the '91 Bulls were better than the 91 Lakers in fact the '91 Pistons and Blazers had more talent ...YOU WIN GENIUS but that just proves my point.
    4. MJ did more with less ...Ok I give you Exhibit A Hakeem first le ...Exhibit B Duncan last 3 where is his sure-fire ast ballot HOF'er like MJ? Magic had a great team which is WHY they would beat the 90's Bulls But Mj didnt walk on water those guys did more with less ...
    5. Coop couldnt handle MJ who could? again i never said stop just saying he would of done as good a job as anyone ...6. Obviously you are not very bright I never said you said ANYTHING aboiout the Spurs but in thr post I first quoted you discounted Showtime based on the fact MJ "curb-stomped Magic" Im just pointing out again for the mentally impaired:
    a-That was far from the best Laker team (yeah no to everyone but you)
    b-Magic is a great winner and is in MJ's class (ditto)
    c-Coop was athletic enough to be a great defender in any era (watch tape)
    d-Based on the faulty logic/reasoning in the original post I quoted that means last year's Mavs could beat the 2007 Spurs since they curbstomped you last year ...that makes a lot of sense ...right?! You the one that made the idiotic statement then get mad when i follow the same resoning to deduce that the Lakers and Mavs are better than the 2007 Spurs ...Obviously I dont believe that but swith this brilliant analysis of yours I have seen the light!!!
    Look I know you must hate the Lakers and that is cool ...but 80's ball was not all sttyle what was so stylish about the Celts or the pistons? The funny thing is as a player I'm all defense little offense ...but i still feel 80's ball was better. I'll explain why next post.

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    Let me get off of this because by most measures and most sane people know the 80's Celts and Lakers were the 2 greatest teams...
    Here is why 80's Ball was better than 90's ...
    1. Less money back in the 80's people earned their millions ...up until Jon Koncak they did not pay people off of Potential
    2. Dudes played hard almost every night ...especially the good teams.Reason why Lakers whupped Kings by 40 was because unlike most teams in the 90's except the Bulls since Mj was raised in the 80's ball wise ...
    3. Heck even All-star games were super compe ive ...Slam dunk contests as well ...
    4. the Refs were wayyy better
    5 Mj for all the glory he brought the sport begat the dunks and highlights on Sportscenter and many kids lost that I also feel And1 didnt help either and i hate that crap (so do i really prefer style over substance)
    6. I play hoops stillbut I coach kids more now than I play if I was going to show my team a game tape I would choose the Lakers or Celts of the 80's because there was great ball movement, shooting and defense Dennis Johnson and Coop played GREAT individual and team defense Magic And Bird suck 1 on 1 but were great rotators and ball denial ...plus how many kids do what Jordan and Pip did athletically?
    7. Players stayed with their teams more ...teams were built not thrown together ...
    8. Despite what Dunc and Dave thinks teams were better and deeper Vinnie Johnson, Coop, Ainge etc, the great 6th man would be starters over the Dontay Jones Batum's etc.
    9. In the 80's we had big men Kareem, Sikma, Laimbeer, Parish, Moses ewing, Eaton Hakeem Gilmore Dawkins KWillis ...the 90's still Ewing and Hakeem David too and Shaq but the depth is lacking
    10. The all 80's team Magic, Bird, Isiah, Kareem, Wilkins Mchale Worthy Dumars Moses Dr.J and vs. All 90's Jordan Pippen Drexler Hakeem Ewing Barkley Oh wait all those guys STARTED their careers in the 80's ...so the 80's had all those guys at the SAME FREAKING Time!!!! If you had put the Dream together in 88 ...

    Youl would have end of prime Magic & Bird ...young MJ rookie Pippen young Ewing, Barkley Malone and Stockton Prime Mullin and Drexler and you replace Lattener with Isiah that is why the 80's were better ...case closed good night ....

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    the summer of 1988 in fact was aruably the greatest in NBA history check this out: End of "prime" stars - Magic, Bird, Worthy Nique Isiah and Mchale ...entering prime or in - Mj, Hakeem, Barkley, Ewing, Malone,Drexler, and Mullin. The rookie stars that year were Robinson Pippen and Reggie Miller ...wow! how wa sthe NBA not better with 16 sure-fire HOF'ers playing at the same time?!

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    Talk to anyone who saw both era's, and they know that the Showtime Lakers and the Celtics of that era would have curbstomped the 90's Bulls. It was obvious the Celtics and Lakers of that era were superior to the Bulls.

    And it's very stupid of you to assume the 90's Bulls were better than the Showtime Lakers because of ONE foul call made by a Referee

    2000's Spurs would have manhandled the 1980's Celtics!

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    Let me get off of this because by most measures and most sane people know the 80's Celts and Lakers were the 2 greatest teams...
    Here is why 80's Ball was better than 90's ...
    1. Less money back in the 80's people earned their millions ...up until Jon Koncak they did not pay people off of Potential
    2. Dudes played hard almost every night ...especially the good teams.Reason why Lakers whupped Kings by 40 was because unlike most teams in the 90's except the Bulls since Mj was raised in the 80's ball wise ...
    3. Heck even All-star games were super compe ive ...Slam dunk contests as well ...
    4. the Refs were wayyy better
    5 Mj for all the glory he brought the sport begat the dunks and highlights on Sportscenter and many kids lost that I also feel And1 didnt help either and i hate that crap (so do i really prefer style over substance)
    6. I play hoops stillbut I coach kids more now than I play if I was going to show my team a game tape I would choose the Lakers or Celts of the 80's because there was great ball movement, shooting and defense Dennis Johnson and Coop played GREAT individual and team defense Magic And Bird suck 1 on 1 but were great rotators and ball denial ...plus how many kids do what Jordan and Pip did athletically?
    7. Players stayed with their teams more ...teams were built not thrown together ...
    8. Despite what Dunc and Dave thinks teams were better and deeper Vinnie Johnson, Coop, Ainge etc, the great 6th man would be starters over the Dontay Jones Batum's etc.
    9. In the 80's we had big men Kareem, Sikma, Laimbeer, Parish, Moses ewing, Eaton Hakeem Gilmore Dawkins KWillis ...the 90's still Ewing and Hakeem David too and Shaq but the depth is lacking
    10. The all 80's team Magic, Bird, Isiah, Kareem, Wilkins Mchale Worthy Dumars Moses Dr.J and vs. All 90's Jordan Pippen Drexler Hakeem Ewing Barkley Oh wait all those guys STARTED their careers in the 80's ...so the 80's had all those guys at the SAME FREAKING Time!!!! If you had put the Dream together in 88 ...

    Youl would have end of prime Magic & Bird ...young MJ rookie Pippen young Ewing, Barkley Malone and Stockton Prime Mullin and Drexler and you replace Lattener with Isiah that is why the 80's were better ...case closed good night ....

    I think you case is bull
    You have a team like the Spurs that plays HARD defense and kills you with a silent offense. BASIC FREAKING BASKETBALL!!!!
    In the 1980's no one played defense. 'Memba when Jordan was critized for more offense and less defense and the following year was DPOY.
    Pop just took a page from that...and won 4 les!! And was the 1st coach to beat the so called triangle offense of the Lakers!
    You got to remember too in the 1980's games were taped delayed. Alot of NBA players were on Coke, and the league almost went bankrupt.
    There wasn't a crapload of sport channels or the net for that matter.
    David Stern and the NBA is so *&$#@* infused on reliving the glory days of the 1980's! Thats why he fixes games ala SAC vs LAL and no the refs sucked back then Tommy Nunez and Ed Rush were ***** Laker Fans!!!!!!

    Get over it!!!! That decade is six feet under along with your parachute pants and Micheal Jackson.

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    LOL I have no issues with Pop he is a top 3 coach all-time in my book behind Phil and Riley ...Let's leave the who would beat who argument for a 2nd because there is no definitive way to prove that but I have my opinion you have yours ...
    But one thing not debateable is the talent drafted inthe 1980's trumps the 90's ...
    Are you telling me that a league of: Magic, Bird, (rookies in '80) McHale, Isiah, Worthy, 'Nique, Drexler, Hakeem, Jordan, Barkley Ewing, Mullin, Malone and Stockton (most of the OG Dream Team) played no defense and played a lessor brand of basketball than the guys in the 90's?! Are you serious ?! The mental midgetry in this forum has sunk to new lows ...Look the 90's Bulls were great they are about the only team of that decade that could hang in the 80's ...the Spurs and Lakers of earlier this decade i would agree with as well ...but they are not better ...please stop that!

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    2000's Spurs would have manhandled the 1980's Celtics!
    McHale, Parrish & Bird at 45 would still have given you fits. Look at what the 2009's Mavs did to the 2000 circa Spurs.

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    McHale, Parrish & Bird at 45 would still have given you fits. Look at what the 2009's Mavs did to the 2000 circa Spurs.
    The 2009 Mavs played the 2000 Spurs? Did I miss it? When did you get a time machine Culburn? That would explain a lot about you...

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    The 2009 Mavs played the 2000 Spurs? Did I miss it? When did you get a time machine Culburn? That would explain a lot about you...
    I qualified it with the word [circa] blankethead. Ya bag, you.

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    I never said i like style over substance ...where in my post did you see that?!
    You didn't say it, I'm just guessing from what you said about "low TV ratings" after Jordan retired. True bball fans could care less how many other people are watching a good game with them. If that's not you, so sorry...

    You still never answered how old you were ...so i guess you either are basing your observations off of stats, history books or NBA classic games.
    I tried keeping it civil, but you can't operate that way apparently. So since you insist on being insulting, try this on for size:

    Apparently, I 'm dealing with a MORON who can't ing read, let alone who knows how to use punctuation in his posts (ever heard of using a comma or a period to break up your sentences? Your posts are IMPOSSIBLE to make heads or tails of without knowing where a sentence ends and a new one begins). Because I CLEARLY stated in the post right after you asked how old I was that I was born in '75. So either you are a re who never learned how to read, probably because you were too busy jacking off to Laker highlight videos every day, OR math was never your forte.

    I apologize for assuming a Laker fan would be able to do basic subtraction. So let me hlep you out here, because I love charity cases:

    2009(that's now)-1975(that's when I was born)=34(that's my age)

    34, that's how old I am. But wait, you wanted to know how old I was in the 80's, right? Should I make a list of how old I was in every year of the 80's, or do you think you can handle that one by yourself? Let me know if you need another lesson....


    Gee, wasn't that pleasant... That's how you've talked to me this whole thread...

    1. You were the genius that said Magic Johnson could not hold MJ's jockstrap and called Bird an unathletic superstar...right there your cedibilty is shot!!
    You agreed with me that no one could stop Jordan, so does that shoot your credibility too? And I was unaware that Kori and Tim made you the person who decides who is credible and who isn't on this board. How you pull that off with that reading deficiency and lack of math skills?

    2. You make it sound Like Bird or Mullin etc had no hands in their face watch the tape because there was less so called athleticism and not everyoine could hang in the air ala MJ shots had to be shot over people watch Isiah on the 3rd quarter in '88 most of those shots contested ...heavily
    Another fine example of no punctuation making your thoughts seem senseless.
    Here's a news flash for you: there were more layups and EASY fast break buckets in the 80's which means higher percentage. A decent high schooler can make 80-90% of his layups, even contested ones. But a jumper is a lower percentage shot, especially when contested. I am not saying those guys had no one contesting their jumpers. I am saying this: if I played in the 80's and for every 10 shots I took 7 of them were layups/dunks and 3 were jumpers, my FG% would look higher. It would not be a true indicator of how good of a jump shooter I am. Oh look, there I go again with the math lessen. Sorry for confusing you...


    3. I agree the '91 Bulls were better than the 91 Lakers in fact the '91 Pistons and Blazers had more talent ...YOU WIN GENIUS but that just proves my point.
    I'm right, and it proves your point? Okay...
    Again, you're not getting it. MY 91 Lakers argument was used for the Magic vs. Jordan argument with lakaluva. Magic with all his experience in the Finals was supposed to beat the ball-hog Jordan; didn't happen. You were the one who jumped in to save the day for lakaluva without reading all the info first (since you apparently have that little problem with reading).

    4. MJ did more with less ...Ok I give you Exhibit A Hakeem first le ...Exhibit B Duncan last 3 where is his sure-fire ast ballot HOF'er like MJ? Magic had a great team which is WHY they would beat the 90's Bulls But Mj didnt walk on water those guys did more with less ...
    Punctuation please! Hakeem won 2 les and had Drexler the for the 2nd one, or did you forget because that wasn't in the 80's? Duncan won 4 but had a much more talent around him than Jordan. Duncan had Robinson (a HOF'er) then Parker and Manu (both All Stars). Jordan won 6 les, and would have won more if he didn't go test out his lack of baseball skills. He did more with less than the guys you used in your "Exhibits." Still the second Bulls 3-peat would have destroyed my Spurs (and your 80's Lakers)because while my Spurs played tough D, the Bulls was tougher.

    5. Coop couldnt handle MJ who could? again i never said stop just saying he would of done as good a job as anyone ...
    Again, this was an argument I had going with lakaluva and DrHouse that you decided to jump in on, because they were saying Cooper would neutralize or slow down Jordan when they were comparing matchups. No one slowed him down in the playoffs, except himself. Even the flu couldn't stop him. So glad we agree...
    6. Obviously you are not very bright I never said you said ANYTHING aboiout the Spurs but in thr post I first quoted you discounted Showtime based on the fact MJ "curb-stomped Magic" Im just pointing out again for the mentally impaired:
    Apparently YOU are not very bright. I guess you can read someone's post unless they leave out the punctuation in it. That way they speak your language? I never accused you of putting words in my mouth about the Spurs. Let me repost it for you, and hopefully you'll grasp it this time around... I'll even bold and underline it for you...

    As for your hypothetical Spurs stuff, you obviously didn't read my posts before you started insulting me. Kinda makes you look like an ass when you accuse people of things they didn't do and then ridicule them for those same things.
    EX: I never said that because the Bulls beat the 91 Lakers that means they could beat the 80's Lakers. The 91 Lakers-Bulls Finals was used as an example for lakaluva to prove that Jordan COULD hang with Magic, since he wiped the floor with him. Magic and MJ were both 1st Team All NBA and Worthy was only 29, still in his prime, proof that Jordan was better. That's why I even showed both benches to prove that Jordan won that series DESPITE having a weaker team than the Lakers that year. But yeah, those weren't the showtime Lakers, since Kareem and Cooper were gone. How could anyone prove that a team from one decade could beat one from another decade? Not happening without a time machine...
    Maybe you "felt like" I was discounting the showtime Lakers with that comparison, but just because you "felt" I was, doesn't mean I was. It was related, but it was more to argue my case for Jordan being better than Magic.

    I still think the 2nd Bulls 3peat would beat the Lakers from any 80's team. And there's nothing you can say to convince me otherwise. Just like nothing I say will convince you to change your mind that the Lakers would win. The difference is I am a Spurs fan arguing for the Bulls and you're a Laker fan arguing for... what a surprise, the Lakers! Homerism is gonna come into play with your argument, but hey that's cool. Never admit your team has flaws, if it makes you feel better.

    a-That was far from the best Laker team (yeah no to everyone but you)
    b-Magic is a great winner and is in MJ's class (ditto)
    c-Coop was athletic enough to be a great defender in any era (watch tape)
    d-Based on the faulty logic/reasoning in the original post I quoted that means last year's Mavs could beat the 2007 Spurs since they curbstomped you last year ...that makes a lot of sense ...right?! You the one that made the idiotic statement then get mad when i follow the same resoning to deduce that the Lakers and Mavs are better than the 2007 Spurs ...Obviously I dont believe that but swith this brilliant analysis of yours I have seen the light!!!
    Look I know you must hate the Lakers and that is cool ...but 80's ball was not all sttyle what was so stylish about the Celts or the pistons? The funny thing is as a player I'm all defense little offense ...but i still feel 80's ball was better. I'll explain why next post.
    a. I already admitted that was not the Showtime Lakers team (in my last post to you), but it was the only one we can use to compare Magic vs. Jordan. That reading problem showing its ugly head again for you? Do I really have to post everything TWICE for you to actually read something once?
    b. agreed, Magic is one of the all time greats but Jordan is better
    c. I said he'd be an above average defender, but not a DPOY candidate in teh new NBA. Have to agree to disagree...
    d. Your reading problem is making you look REALLY bad at this point. How can you deduce I have faulty logic, when your argument is based on something you "assume" I said, that I have told you over and over again I did not say. You are just making stuff up in your head now. Next thing you know you'll be claiming I said the Run TMC Warriors were better than the 80's Lakers too, just because I used both of their names in the same paragraph. Just chill out dude, no need to get all worked...

    I didn't always hate the Lakers (something you'd know if you would have read the post where I told you the year I was born). I just prefer substance over style. My Spurs play with substance, your 80's Lakers played with style. I was too young to know the difference when I watched the 80's Lakers in my youth, now "I've seen the light" as you put it.

    I understand if you are one of the millions who are only entertained by dunks and no-look passes though. Look at what its done to Suns fans. Most of them are happy with losing as long as they have an entertaining product on the floor. ESPN caters to your kind. So be happy and watch the Dunk of the Night highlights every night and you'll get the 80's Lakers nostalgic feeling.

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    "your 80's Lakers played with style."

    That was the marching orders & talking points straight out of New York & CBS. Boston would be "lunch bucket" and "deserving." Los Angeles would be "glitter" & "style" and their record "gaudy." And the Lakers went along with that dog & pony show, let New York & CBS eat their lunch, until Magic finally woke up and put a round right behind Bird's & Auerbach's ear on a Sunday afternoon in June, of '85. Then to make sure New York & CBS never forgot it, Magic took Boston out to the coast in the Summer of '87 and turned Worthy lose on 'em. Result? Boston, dead in the ground.

    Uh, uh, Magic wouldn't let New York & CBS write his legacy as they'd written Wilt's, Baylor's & West's. Nope.

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    McHale, Parrish & Bird at 45 would still have given you fits. Look at what the 2009's Mavs did to the 2000 circa Spurs.

    Oh give me a break....

    Bowen on Bird Bird has to fight for his points...and fustrates the F out of Bird -Edge Bowen

    Duncan on Mcale- The Best Power forward of all time ADVANTAGE DUNCAN!

    Robinson on Parish- Robinson's defense to much for Chief

    Parker on Johnson-Even DEAD Even

    Ginobili on Angie- Gino can play defense and offense

    Spurs bench: Willis, Horry, Jackson, Malik, Kerr and Elie
    Boston bench: a has been speech impediment Walton, and a bunch of Boston Scurbs

    Edge: Spurs

    Spurs Win 4-2

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    See, it doesn't work for Media, and the attendant Network who owns the rights to NBA Finals to have the Lakers win it. No, what they desire and need is to have the Lakers show up, but, end up on the end of stick. They need Boston, Detroit, a Florida team, Boston, New York, Boston, or Philadelphia to beat the Lakers. They can't kick the to the losing team if the Lakers win. That don't work for them. If the Lakers lose they get two bites at the proverbial apple= they get to Lord it over the Lakers by fawning over the Celtics and they get to kick the holy out of the Lakers for losing to them. But, if the Lakers win, it don't work out: they can't cream Boston and won't carry the Laker's waterPERIOD

    It's a definite quandry for them.

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    Oh give me a break....

    Bowen on Bird Bird has to fight for his points...and fustrates the F out of Bird -Edge Bowen

    Duncan on Mcale- The Best Power forward of all time ADVANTAGE DUNCAN!

    Robinson on Parish- Robinson's defense to much for Chief

    Parker on Johnson-Even DEAD Even

    Ginobili on Angie- Gino can play defense and offense

    Spurs bench: Willis, Horry, Jackson, Malik, Kerr and Elie
    Boston bench: a has been speech impediment Walton, and a bunch of Boston Scurbs

    Edge: Spurs

    Spurs Win 4-2
    I assume your model is based upon my model of the Celtics at 45 years of age and your Spurs in their respective primes. That assumption granted---I agree with your model.

    Otherwise, I'm reachin' for the bag of bags.

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    Bowen on Bird Bird has to fight for his points...and fustrates the F out of Bird -Edge Bowen



    Bird takes a hot steamy on Bowen without much effort.

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    Oh give me a break....

    Bowen on Bird Bird has to fight for his points...and fustrates the F out of Bird -Edge Bowen

    Duncan on Mcale- The Best Power forward of all time ADVANTAGE DUNCAN!

    Robinson on Parish- Robinson's defense to much for Chief

    Parker on Johnson-Even DEAD Even

    Ginobili on Angie- Gino can play defense and offense

    Spurs bench: Willis, Horry, Jackson, Malik, Kerr and Elie
    Boston bench: a has been speech impediment Walton, and a bunch of Boston Scurbs

    Edge: Spurs

    Spurs Win 4-2



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    Oh give me a break....

    Bowen on Bird Bird has to fight for his points...and fustrates the F out of Bird -Edge Bowen

    Duncan on Mcale- The Best Power forward of all time ADVANTAGE DUNCAN!

    Robinson on Parish- Robinson's defense to much for Chief

    Parker on Johnson-Even DEAD Even

    Ginobili on Angie- Gino can play defense and offense

    Spurs bench: Willis, Horry, Jackson, Malik, Kerr and Elie
    Boston bench: a has been speech impediment Walton, and a bunch of Boston Scurbs

    Edge: Spurs

    Spurs Win 4-2
    Sorry Gervin, can't back you on that one. Bird was a big man with unbelievable 3pt range. Bowen couldn't stop Larry from scoring any more than Bowen could stop Dirk. And Dirk is tissue-paper soft compared to Larry Bird. Bird would man handle Bowen in the post and get hsi shot on the perimeter whenever he felt like it vs Bowen.

    And the McHale and Duncan matchup would be closer than you think.. Duncan still wins that one 1 on 1 though.

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    Ok since i have to type online from a hand device ...let's attack my punctuation skills. DO you want to battle me in an essay contest to prove my language skills internet tough guy? LOL
    Again let me break this down so Dunc & dave can understand ...
    1. We agree the Bulls in '91 beat the Lakers ... Mj dominated Magic did not ...
    2. My response started with the comment that Magic could not hold Mj's jockstrap what an intelligent argument.
    3. We agree no one could make a fair comparison arguing team from diffrent eras ... but you fail to provide a valid argument in the talent disparity from let's say 1988 vs. any year in the 90's of your choosing.
    4. You made the assumption i prefer style over substance and that you are a basketball purist ...yet you prefer an era of mugging (90's) whered games between the Knicks and heat thart was settled with both teams scoring under 80 ...with a lot of dirty plays & fouls. Again the Bulls were great they won 92 80 a lot but the quality of ball in that era was not very good overall ...never discredited Jordan or the Bulls
    5. You say Im being a homer but I made the same case if you read closely ...maybe i did not punctuate it well...that the Celts or Pistons were great as well I argued the 80's very little did I say about the Lakers ...
    6. As a former player and coach I just thinkl the overall TALENT and quality of play were superior I'm stillwaiting for you to make a legitimate argument otherwise ...
    7. I don't have ANYTHING against the Spurs in fact BEFORE I moved to SA they were my 2nd favorite team I love Duncan ...but what is this substance you speak of that the Lakers didnt have? Or the Celts or Pistons of the 80's for that matter? This is really the where you lose me despite your "perfect grammar & punctuation"... because where did I say that I love layups in dunks? In fact I would argue that there are way more layups and dunks in the 90's than the 80's ...but I don't have the stats to back that up.It's just what I saw ...maybe there were more layups but we had much more jumpshooters in the NBa in the 80's than 90's
    8. Look Dunc & Dave I know i took some shots earlier ..I apologize i actually enjoyed this healthy debate. I just can't see how you could say the ball was not better when the many of the stars of the 90's were playing in the 80's, there was no expansion and there were was 2 dominant stars and not one dominant team.
    9. I'll close with I also believe the 00's is better than the 90's beccause we had 2 mini dynasties Spurs & lakers 2 dominant big men (Shaq and Duncan) plus plenty of great all-around talent Kobe,LBJ, Wade, Manu Melo) I would rank 80's 1st 00's 2nd 90's 3rd for overall quality of play ...just my 2 cents ...

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    I qualified it with the word [circa] blankethead. Ya bag, you.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
    Alright! Gramps has been brushing up on his internet lingo! Somebody get him a Werther's Original for a prize!

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    I never said i like style over substance ...where in my post did you see that?! You still never answered how old you were ...so i guess you either are basing your observations off of stats, history books or NBA classic games.

    1. You were the genius that said Magic Johnson could not hold MJ's jockstrap and called Bird an unathletic superstar...right there your cedibilty is shot!!
    2. You make it sound Like Bird or Mullin etc had no hands in their face watch the tape because there was less so called athleticism and not everyoine could hang in the air ala MJ shots had to be shot over people watch Isiah on the 3rd quarter in '88 most of those shots contested ...heavily
    3. I agree the '91 Bulls were better than the 91 Lakers in fact the '91 Pistons and Blazers had more talent ...YOU WIN GENIUS but that just proves my point.
    4. MJ did more with less ...Ok I give you Exhibit A Hakeem first le ...Exhibit B Duncan last 3 where is his sure-fire ast ballot HOF'er like MJ? Magic had a great team which is WHY they would beat the 90's Bulls But Mj didnt walk on water those guys did more with less ...
    5. Coop couldnt handle MJ who could? again i never said stop just saying he would of done as good a job as anyone ...6. Obviously you are not very bright I never said you said ANYTHING aboiout the Spurs but in thr post I first quoted you discounted Showtime based on the fact MJ "curb-stomped Magic" Im just pointing out again for the mentally impaired:
    a-That was far from the best Laker team (yeah no to everyone but you)
    b-Magic is a great winner and is in MJ's class (ditto)
    c-Coop was athletic enough to be a great defender in any era (watch tape)
    d-Based on the faulty logic/reasoning in the original post I quoted that means last year's Mavs could beat the 2007 Spurs since they curbstomped you last year ...that makes a lot of sense ...right?! You the one that made the idiotic statement then get mad when i follow the same resoning to deduce that the Lakers and Mavs are better than the 2007 Spurs ...Obviously I dont believe that but swith this brilliant analysis of yours I have seen the light!!!
    Look I know you must hate the Lakers and that is cool ...but 80's ball was not all sttyle what was so stylish about the Celts or the pistons? The funny thing is as a player I'm all defense little offense ...but i still feel 80's ball was better. I'll explain why next post.
    No one EVER slowed him down? Ever hear of the Jordan rules?!

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    Alright! Gramps has been brushing up on his internet lingo! Somebody get him a Werther's Original for a prize!
    Gramps would settle for some See Alice, 2 popsicle sticks, a rubber band and an overipe kumquat.

    Savvy?

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