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& Artest remains a "good player"......the Duncan you accurately describe no longer draws breath on earth.
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& Artest remains a "good player"......the Duncan you accurately describe no longer draws breath on earth.
He's good in terms of guarding power players (Lebron, Carmelo, Pierce), but he will get burned by quick guards and i don't think PJ will put kobe all game on guys like wade, roy, ginobili.
That's just because he signed with the Lakers, DAF.
you didn't answer my question. further, there are very few great players in the nba...artest isn't one of them.
Torched? Really? Come on....
You're going to grade Ron Ron's defensive abilities using his performance against the best offensive player the league has seen since MJ? Ok.
He's also been forced into a role of being the #1 option offensively with his last two teams(the last 5 years coincidentally). A role he's not cut out for obviously.
Injuries to Kevin Martin,Bibby etc...in SacTown and the perpetual absence of TMac,Yao in Houston were huge factors in Artests poor shooting %'s.
Neither is Duncan any longer.
I'll take a half an Artest here in PHX.
Lakers/Spurs will be good this year.
Mavs will get the consolation game.
i would disagree with that. consider this...TD was the best player in the league for a while...artest has never been close to that. if they've both fallen since then, fine. but tell me...which NBA team would take artest over TD as we speak? thats a rhetorical question.
TD is a future HOF'r(obviously).......Artest is a fantastic 3rd guy on a championship team IMO.
Edit: If i'm looking to win a le now i'm still taking TD over Ron.
But, that wasn't my point, John. Viewed in a vacuum, your memory erased, blinders on, Duncan is now a good player. Artest is a good player.
That don't mean . This HOF nonsense is crapola. What good did it do when the Mavs took the Spurs out? This is how it gets away from an organization and the Spurs are living proof.
i'm simply coming at you from a different angle...how else am i suppose to get your thoughts? you aren't direct.
anyway, TD's skills haven't deteriorated...skills that artest never possessed and never will. the players aren't comparable (in the IQ and skill department) and TD is still significantly better. and i'm shocked that a laker fan doesn't see it.
?? Duncan was kicking ass until probably February. If it makes you feel better to write him off, fine, but he's not gone.
Artest 2008/2009:
35.5 MPG 17.1 PPG 5.2 RPG 3.3 APG 40% FG
Duncan 2008/2009:
33.6 MPG 19.3 PPG 10.7 RPG 3.5 APG 50.4% FG
Let's average those out to 40 MPG shall we?
Artest:
19.26 PPG 5.85 RPG 3.7 APG
Duncan:
22.9 PPG 12.7 RPG 4.17 APG
LOL at you claiming they both have the same quality of play.
Wtf? We're gonna need a credibility check on aisle 369?
Never said such.
Kinda looks like you did.
to be fair, he didn't say that. but thanks for the stats...i thought artest was a better rebounder. 5.2 sucks ass for such a physical, athletic, high IQ, skilled player such as himself.
He equated their play as "good". There's a clear gap.
Citing Duncan's assurance to the Hall in order to boost his current state is silly.Wtf? We're gonna need a credibility check on aisle 369?
Never said such.
Ginobili is getting old.
The fact is older players become much more susceptible to injuries.
And the past couple of years, Manu has gotten further and further away from his 2005 self.
Just cuz I love stats...
Pau Gasol (stats averaged to 40MPG):
20.4 PPG 10.37 RPG 3.78 APG
Would you say Gasol is one of the elite players in the league?
Saying they're both "good players" isn't saying such?
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