What do off-season signings have to do with being at full strength? With that logic, we should hope all the contenders sign superstars for the veteran minimum, otherwise they wont be at full strength and it would all be illegitimate.
I guess Kwame Brown for Gasol wasn't enough to be considered a challenge or something.
If spurs fans hope that Kobe breaks his arm then you have a complaint.
I just want Laker fans to suffer as much as I suffer by sharing a planet with them. I haven't met a knowledgeable, intelligent, interesting Laker fan yet, and I've met fans of many, many teams. I even know and like some Dallas fans, which is saying quite a lot.
Odom on or off the Lakers doesn't matter a whole lot in the long run, just if they don't have him, they may get knocked off even before the Spurs get a chance to knock them out.
Without a doubt. Spurs fans have not fixated on Odom to any degree. Heck, Lakersground.net there is a 265 page thread regarding Odom. It hardly gets a mention here and maybe adds 8 to 10 new posts a day to the thread. Whether Odom goes or stays is no big deal (as Dr. Buss has evidently decided), if the Lakers don't have a significant injury when we play them they will be at full strength.
that doesn't make sense. whatever the lakers are, they are. if they add artest and lose odom, is it a loss to them? not really. they are at full strength if everybody on their team is healthy, it's got nothing to do with who odom plays for.As A Spurs fan on this forum I like debating Mav fan, Rocket Fan, Blazer fan, and of course Laker fan!!!
However, I have to turn my attenion to Spurs fans!!! Especially the way some of the spoiled Spurs fans have posted that Lamar Odom should go to the Miami Heat.
Are Spoiled Spurs fans weak-willed? Do they lack guts?
I (along with a few other Spurs fans) have wanted Odom to remain with the Lakers. They are the NBA Champs (like it or not) and he was a key factor in order for them it to win a championship!!
In order to be the best....you want to beat the best!! Remember the Spurs have arguably (along with the Lakers) been the best team of the decade!!!
Look at how Mavs fans (on this forum) are so celebratory about beating the Spurs in a playoff series...even though they haven't won a championship!!!
Do you want to our Spurs to beat the Lakers at full strength next season? Absolutely!!! You never run away from a challenge by wishing your opponent be a little weaker?????
So what that Lakaluva, DrHouse, 21_Blessings, and the other obnoxious Lakers fans take their shot at the Spurs especially these last 2 seasons. It has taken the Lakers seven years to win a championship and the Spurs have re-tooled this offseason....to go for it again!!!
And if they win....it will be that much greater.
For example, I've always enjoyed the 2005 championship the best. The Pistons were legitimately the best in the east that year and the Finals went to 7 games. It may not be have been the greatest series in the league.....but the best two teams went at it and either team could have won that series.
But the Spurs won it and it makes the championship all the more sweeter!!!
So I as a Spurs fan want Odom to stay a Laker and when the Spurs beat this season in WCF........so much better!!! And shutting Lakers fans up will be beautiful!!!
I disappointed that a Spurs fan would have a post with praying hands that Odom would to go Miami!!! Please! I do pray...but not for that!!
C'mon Spurs fans let hope that Odom stays in L.A.!!
Stop being wimpy and weak-minded!!!! And root for the Spurs to knock them off at full strength!!!
the only team that i really want at full strength is the spurs. it's probably been 2004 last time that happened. if that happens, i like the spurs chances.
That is pretty laughable. If the Lakers organization is unable to retain one of their key players, in turn making them weaker, why would any fan other than the Laker fans be against it?
Would it be our fault as Spur fans that Odom wants too much money? Or that Buss doesn't want to over pay every player they have bird rights for? If the Lakers, for whatever reason, is unable themselves to retain Odom, then IMO, too bad.
You are right about one thing though, to be the best you have to beat the best... but if the best doesn't remain the best then boo whoo.
:-? who says lakers will be the best ... there are a bunch of good teams to go through ... an easier round means better chance in finals ... stupid thread ... Marhill, you should concentrate on the nba championship and not focus on every small step on the road to finals (in this case lakers)
its like spurs in 2008, we were defending champs but boston was fav to win it all ... sometimes the defending champion thing is over blown ... so dont obsess over the lakers....
Also again like 2008, having to go through a bunch of tough teams means increasing ur injury chances, lakers had the easier road to the finals, and were rested up while spurs had to catch that flight directly after a physical suns series and a rough hornets series after duelling a motivated chris paul and west (both of who can light up the best of teams on their day).
I'm afraid I don't get your point.
Should all Spurs rivals do Gasol-like deals in order for you to call it a fair fight? Did the Lakers or their fans not celebrate and brag about them beating us 4-1 with a crippled Manu? Did Dallas? Do you think Laker fans believe it's unfair because we couldn't sign Scola or keep Jax? How fair is it when for years our salary budget has been about $30-40 mil less than our direct rivals'?
Each team changes and tries to get better but they're not in a vacuum, at the end of the day you have to compare with your rivals and I won't cry a tear if Lakers lose Odom and if Artest goes mad and s up their season, it won't make me celebrate less if we win it all.
Yeah, but that means beating the best team for that season!
I dont want anyone to get injured or something like that!
They can sign him and maybe are to cheap (not saying they are cheap in general) to do it! They are not treating him like he wants to and maybe they will pay for it.
If they cant hold their championship team together, its their problem
Heck, we would still have Captain Jack if things like money wouldn't mean anything! I'm not bitter losing him, but we have to see that teams are changing. If its in our favour, I like it, if it is not, we cant do anything about it.
btw.: I'm still pretty sure Odom will stay with the Lakers, as I doubt, the whole Miami thing is just to push LA into giving him more.
you mean cheating by getting an Allstar for Kwame Brown?? I would not mind if Spurs could do that. Too bad our front office has something called integrity.
Jefferson was a steal of a trade. Stop the integrity BS. If the spurs could make a heist in a trade they will.
Kori,
Of course anything can happen between now and next season's playoffs for their not to be a Spurs/Lakers WCF match.
I know that.....especially with the last two post seasons for the Spurs having come up short.
However, I always prefer clarity than agreement in a discussion.
And I was looking at the Lakers with everybody coming back. That is what I mean by full strength! The Lakers are the champs and I want the Spurs (at full strength themselves) to knock them off with everybody on their team intact.
I know Ariza is gone (his agent screwed that up) and they traded for Artest. Also, there are injuries that could happen and the situation that the Lakers could have some hangover from winning it all last season as well. Plus, the team from the Eastern Conference will have a lot to say about it too.
I get those things and it could derailed their chances of repeating.
This forum is about spectulation and discussion and you can make the case the Spurs and Lakers have been the best two teams in the entire league for the past decade. I know both sides have argued about the "best team of the decade" le and have legit points on either side.
And they are our rival......you want to measure up against the best. Seems our culture (yes I'm going on a rant) doesn't want to measure up to excellence anymore.
I read that I don't care if Kobe got hit by a truck or the Lakers were happy that DRob retired in '03 or seeing praying hands in post about Odom hopefully going to Miami and so on.
And to me.....that's just sorry and weak-minded. Either Spurs are good enough or not good enough!! It happens and no team is guaranteed a championship (even though some spoiled Spurs fans believe it so).
I compare this to the Cowboys and 49ers of the '90s. Both teams dominated the NFC and were considered the best two teams in the NFL. They wanted to play each other and beat each other. And the fans of both sides were always looking forward to that match-up.
I was watching on TV the America's Game about the 1994 49ers and Steve Young admitted being Dallas at that time was a big deal. Once they beat them...they felt they were going to win the Super Bowl that year.
Excellence measuring up against excellence!!!
That's my point!!
Lastly, I thought Odom was the key to them winning it all and when he played well the Lakers were difficult to beat. So I wouldn't easily dismissed him by saying the Lakers might be better without him. Not so fast!!
Well, I'm happy this thread got three pages and spark a discussion. Even for those who posted this thread was stupid....I see that you missed the point entirely and strengthen my argument!!
Last edited by MarHill; 07-28-2009 at 08:03 AM.
What? You mean we're not guaranteed to win it all???????
Fire Pop!!!! Fire Holt!!!!
I would rather have a for sure championship, Lakers without Odom are capeable of beating the SPurs.
So wanting the top team in the NBA to lose a key piece is wrong?
whats up with all the Laker talk?
...we all just want to face a full strength Miami Heat team in the finals...I don't want them to have any excuses!
This Guy obivously does not know basketball!
I admire your dedication to your team...but laugh at your ignorance!
The Lakers need Odom back to actually be a threat to the league like they where last year!.....(Lakers - Odom ) = A very very rough year! Adam Morrison just might be your Savior!!! for a back to back!!
I think the laker fans also forget how much of an impact Trevor Ariza was when Odom was to busy get high blood pressure from those dam candies he was eating at half time!
Artest nor Odom can do the same thing Trevor Ariza did, Long quick defender that can hit threes and slash to the hoop and fill in the passing lanes for steals or reflections! Artest and Odom are virtually the same type of player! Bigs that can hit a jumper or two and grab rebounds! but slow against quicker players!
However, i do feel if Odom goes back to being a Laker, then they are clearly the team to beat! But Other teams are healthy and have got way better this offseason thats its not safe to say any team will win the Championship this early!
Laker Fans are Ignorant! The City and Fans reflect what type of team you have!!!....Very true!
How ridiculous.
Seriously, I want anything that will make it easier for the Spurs to win. Period. That's not lack of honor, that's realism. The harder it is, the more likely things can go wrong/badly and people can get injured.
By your argument, OP, you might as well say that it would be better for Manu not to be healthy, because then it would be harder and more honorable if the Spurs win. Of course, you won't go that far, because it's stupid.
Wishing the Lakers not to resign a strong rotation player is not only a possible boon to the Spurs (but may not work out in our favor at all) or simply rooting against the Lakers. I love it when teams I despise make moves that seem dumb to me.
Weak-minded. Whatever. I want the championship, and I want the path to be as easy as possible. The 'easy' path is still going to be exceptionally hard, as the top teams are all very, very good. I'm not going to cry if someone else takes out a team that is a worse match-up for us in the playoffs. I'm not interested in the hardest fought battle, I'm interested in the final win.
which is why a team with a missing yao and t-mac took yall to game 7?
you guys are very beatable. unless LA gets better at the PG position, that in the armor (albeit a very tough armor) is there. our guys has one of the premier PGs in the league. if aaron brooks can torch you guys, then so can tony parker.
uh, no.
artest IS an upgrade over trevor ariza. i don't care what people say. you can't compare a role player with a break out season to an all star defender
Bravo Kori!!!
With all the back and forth smacktalk ad nauseum b/t Laker and Spurs fans, it would be interesting if come 2010, neither team is playing in the WCF.
i understand what you are saying, it would make the smacktalk all the more sweeter for me. But....non Spur fans dont care if our guys are hurt or whatever so if the Lakers lost Odom...oh well. They gained Artest but in my mind there's always a chance of that situation backfiring.
you own us lol you guys are so pathetic to come into a spurs chat and try to argue how the lakers own the spurs, in reality if you were in fact not scared of us, then you wouldnt be checking our every move, am i right why dont you respond to that s bag? i have alot of family from L.a and since some are originally from texas they tell me how you guys are actually concerned about the spurs. because denver, houston, and orlando might be scared of kobe, and gasol, timmy d ginobili, and parker are not worried about kobe or phil or artest or gasol, they will shove it down your throat regardless of where their playing remember L.a fans were undefeated in the finals!!
if the spurs won a game against L.a last year while L.a was hot and we had that crappy season, well we def wont be afraid of L.a now. i could care less if they have odom are not we all know timmy doesnt care nor does ginobili, pop. but i bet if phil jackson dies this year theyll be an * on our 5th championship lol he looks like hes got one foot in already sorry laker fans
The Spurs beat Denv, Phnx, Utah, and Clev to win in 07. Only phx was legit. I wasn't complaining
Me likes this.
This isn't backyard pickup ball you moron, there's millions of dollars at stake, of course we want to have the upper hand
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