Spurs.com: Tony Parker Injury Update

[kace]

A lot of discussion about a mild ankle sprain.

that's exactly the heart of the topic. why make him coming back, with flight hours, in obviously a harsh way, for a minor injury, during a very important tournament for France NT. that sounds disrespectful to the player and the NT.

if the spurs called him back for a serious injury during meaningless games (and the ones that the NT will face aren't), no one would be arguing.

[EricB]

you're taking your own suppositions like if they were facts. and repeating them again and again won't ever make them facts.

and the liar thing (sorry if it sounded harsh) was also for your whole post. yes, the inury was the same as the french mediacal staff found and yes TP was really upset/angry about the spurs behaviour.

i know you're consitent on this topic spurs-NT because i think i remember a thread where you said you were against spurs player playing in NT (or maybe outside Olympics, not sure).

but still the NT is very important for many bball fans, even if there is no money involved.

address the goddamn point.

The french team was willing to play him with a broken damn finger.

You keep avoiding the GD point.

[EricB]

that's exactly the heart of the topic. why make him coming back, with flight hours, in obviously a harsh way, for a minor injury, during a very important tournament for France NT. that sounds disrespectful to the player and the NT.

if the spurs called him back for a serious injury during meaningless games (and the ones that the NT will face aren't), no one would be arguing.

Because the Spurs have 12 million invested in him and 90 million into adamn team thats got 3 to 4 years left in a window.

Screw the goddamn national team.

[kace]

address the goddamn point.

The french team was willing to play him with a broken damn finger.

You keep avoiding the GD point.

prove me that they would have played him and increase his injury. suppositions.

[kace]

Because the Spurs have 12 million invested in him and 90 million into adamn team thats got 3 to 4 years left in a window.

Screw the goddamn national team.

i'm a fan. i don't give a about the millions the spurs are giving him.
and i understand spurs point of view, i just disagree.

[Bruno]

What happened with Parker's finger is that Tony wanted to play through it.
French NT medical staff gives him the green light to do some tries with a splint during a practice. All the rest are lies.

Proof of what I said: http://www.basketfrance.com/actu/actu.php?id=2514

[EricB]

i'm a fan. i don't give a about the millions the spurs are giving him.
and i understand spurs point of view, i just disagree.

You can disagree all you want, your still ing wrong.

I'm a fan that is invested in the goddamn team as well and think the National team is a goddamn selfish bunch of Aholes with NO financial investment at all that has ZERO business being pissed about ANYTHING.

[EricB]

What happened with Parker's finger is that Tony wanted to play through it.
French NT medical staff gives him the green light to do some tries with a splint during a practice. All the rest are lies.

Proof of what I said: http://www.basketfrance.com/actu/actu.php?id=2514

So he French team allowed him to do basketball activities and would've let him play.

Thanks for the link proving it.

[Bambililos]

You can disagree all you want, your still ing wrong.

I'm a fan that is invested in the goddamn team as well and think the National team is a goddamn selfish bunch of Aholes with NO financial investment at all that has ZERO business being pissed about ANYTHING.

Paying millions doesn't prevent you from being an "Ahole".

Sport is about compe ion, not millions. I love the NBA, I love the Spurs, but they're not more important from a basketball point of view than an international compe ion.
Now I understand that paying millions, they got a lot of pressure to throw at their players. That's a shame.

[Bruno]

So he French team allowed him to do basketball activities and would've let him play.

Thanks for the link proving it.

If you don't see the difference between playing a high-level game and doing some tries with a splint during a practice, I can do nothing for you.

[kace]

So he French team allowed him to do basketball activities and would've let him play.

Thanks for the link proving it.

yep, they would have tried. what proves you it would be aggravated ? he would have tried too if it was the PO. i don't see any reason to think he would have play more than reasonably, without putting his health in danger.

you're assuming the french medical staff don't know his job.

edit: and all this because of tiago splitter jersey

[kace]

If you don't see the difference between playing a high-level game and doing some tries with a splint during a practice, I can do nothing for you.

well, i'm with you on this topic.

but IIRC and to be honest, i think TP and the french staff were OK for trying to play him against argentina in an official game, the first one of the french NT.

[Bruno]

but IIRC and to be honest, i think TP and the french staff were OK for trying to play him against argentina in an official game, the first one of the french NT.

No.
Parker made some tries and results were negative (he couldn't even palm the ball). Shortly after the practice Spurs, Parker and the NT had a phone meeting where it was decided that Parker was out for the compe ion.

What would have happened if tries were positive and Parker was able to play with a splint ? We will never know and it's all speculations.

[kace]

No.
Parker made some tries and results were negative (he couldn't even palm the ball). Shortly after the practice Spurs, Parker and the NT had a phone meeting where it was decided that Parker was out for the compe ion.

What would have happened if tries were positive and Parker was able to play with a splint ? We will never know and it's all speculations.

OK. that's not what i remembered and not what this link says (two days after yours)http://www.lavoixdessports.com/fr/fo...18parker.phtml

but if true, it's again safer to say that the french medical staff was cautious and reasonable.

[Mel_13]

NBA teams simply don't respect the rule.

Which doesn't change my point at all. If the rule exists, then the club team would have no recourse if the player decided to play for the NT. If the rule exists, then the players that are not participating are doing so by choice.

[Obstructed_View]

Pro basketball players shouldn't play for national teams. Period.

[Bruno]

Which doesn't change my point at all. If the rule exists, then the club team would have no recourse if the player decided to play for the NT. If the rule exists, then the players that are not participating are doing so by choice.

First, this rule does exist:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...e=NBAHeadlines

Second, what you are saying is in theory, not in fact.
You are an international basketball player and your franchise don't want that you play for your NT. What are your choices? Starting a conflict with your franchise and playing or following their wish and not playing.
When you are a young player or a marginal NBA player, you don't have the luxury to start a conflict with your franchise. If you start to have bad relationships with your franchise, you're done.

[DPG21920]

But TP is not marginal. He is a finals MVP.

[Bruno]

But TP is not marginal. He is a finals MVP.

And ?

[DPG21920]

and?

Starting a conflict with your franchise and playing or following their wish and not playing.
When you are a young player or a marginal NBA player, you don't have the luxury to start a conflict with your franchise. If you start to have bad relationships with your franchise, you're done.

What conflict? Like you said, if you are a marginal player it might hurt you, but we are talking about TP. Not some marginal player. There would be no conflict. There is no rule saying the Spurs can keep him from playing.

So if it was not serious, then he could have stayed and there would not be a problem. He is the franchise moving forward and it is not like the Spurs front office would have punished him.

[Bruno]

So if it was not serious, then he could have stayed and there would not be a problem. He is the franchise moving forward and it is not like the Spurs front office would have punished him.

I don't get your logic.

The fact that marginal players can't afford a conflict with their team doesn't mean that non-marginal players have no problem at creating conflicts with their team.

[Mel_13]

First, this rule does exist:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...e=NBAHeadlines

Second, what you are saying is in theory, not in fact.
You are an international basketball player and your franchise don't want that you play for your NT. What are your choices? Starting a conflict with your franchise and playing or following their wish and not playing.
When you are a young player or a marginal NBA player, you don't have the luxury to start a conflict with your franchise. If you start to have bad relationships with your franchise, you're done.

Of course the rule exists. I was framing my point in the form of an if/then statement.

The part of your reply that I have bolded brings up at least two points.

First, given that the rule does exist, why has the reporting out of France been framed as if it did not? The L'equipe article was headlined "Parker le prisonnier" and many references were made to "orders" from the Spurs. Given that the rule exists, no "orders" could be issued and Parker was not a prisoner. He chose to comply with the team's request, he did not follow an order.

Second, much has been made in this discussion (not necessarily by you, Bruno) about the Spurs putting their financial interests ahead of this international compe ion. Yet, by your logic, the player should not be expected to risk his financial interests in order to play for his NT. Why don't these players put national pride ahead of financial gain?

[DPG21920]

I don't get your logic.

The fact that marginal players can't afford a conflict with their team doesn't mean that non-marginal players have no problem at creating conflicts with their team.

Again, I ask what conflict? It is not like TP was breaking any rules if he decided to stay and listen to the French doctors, how could there be a "conflict" to the magnitude of which you describe?

What would the Spurs have done to TP if he did not come back?

[Bruno]

First, given that the rule does exist, why has the reporting out of France been framed as if it did not? The L'equipe article was headlined "Parker le prisonnier" and many references were made to "orders" from the Spurs. Given that the rule exists, no "orders" could be issued and Parker was not a prisoner. He chose to comply with the team's request, he did not follow an order.

First, I disagree with the prisoner le.
Now, Parker himself used the world "order". Now Spurs put a lot pressure on Parker with Holt himself saying Parker to come back.
Parker had the right to say " you, Holt, I'm staying in France". Was it a realistic and smart option? No.

Second, much has been made in this discussion (not necessarily by you, Bruno) about the Spurs putting their financial interests ahead of this international compe ion. Yet, by your logic, the player should not be expected to risk his financial interests in order to play for his NT. Why don't these players put national pride ahead of financial gain?

Well, it's a personal choice. A player like Garbajosa put national pride over financial gain and went in open conflict with Raptors despite beign a marginal player.
And the NBA for most of the players is also a dream, there are more than just the financial aspect of it.

[Bruno]

Again, I ask what conflict? It is not like TP was breaking any rules if he decided to stay and listen to the French doctors, how could there be a "conflict" to the magnitude of which you describe?

What would the Spurs have done to TP if he did not come back?

It's sure that TP saying you to the whole Spurs organization wouldn't have break something in his relationship with Spurs...
TP spend months with Spurs, it's in his interest that he spend that time in a good mood.